Gating Techniques.
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kaomao
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Ermz
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Rather than doing all the stuff with triggers I'm just content to use a look-ahead gate and it's all good. My question however is.... what's a good look-ahead gate? I've tried the Sonitus stuff and it's absolutely atrocious as far as release is concerned... there's always pops at the end.
ElektricEyez
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Dude, I second that! I've had recordings where the mic was placed just right, and I got very little bleed from the hats. Of course the drummer I believe has a lot to do with it. I had the drummer raise his hats much higher than the snare, and the usual 2 inches off the rim, with the mic pointing towards the center. Best sound I ever got on a snare.
The problem I get with gating (and triggering) is that some drummers hit their snare like a little gurley mon, and hit the hats harder, so it ends up opening for the hats and not the snare. I think that's why the trigger can do wonders for gating and sampling, although I've yet to try it.
You can also just copy the snare track, move it 3-5ms ahead, then sidechain the dupe with the same effect. Better than using lookahead (in the Logic and Sonalksis gates anyway)
Pops like a sudden complete cut in sound and not a near-instantaneous fade, or pops as in the sound coming back for just a moment, or... ?
Jeff
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It pops like a sudden complete cut in sound.
@ The snare copying idea. I have considered it, however Nuendo doesn't have great sidechaining functionality, and I generally look to keep my workflow smooth and uncluttered, so try to avoid making too many tracks.
@ The snare copying idea. I have considered it, however Nuendo doesn't have great sidechaining functionality, and I generally look to keep my workflow smooth and uncluttered, so try to avoid making too many tracks.
That's some sort of odd, try ReaGate by Cockos. That hasn't pissed me off too much lately, and it's free.
Jeff
Jeff
izzyrock
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I don't see the need of using triggers nowadays, With today's sampling tools is not hard at all replacing sounds from a mic'ed signal. Drumagog is the best at it, its kinda "smart"
However, I've found sidechaining the gate off the snare/trigger/whateverthefuck track works best rather than just an expander itself WITH the lookadhead thing, because it will only open when the snare hits, its more tight.
However, I've found sidechaining the gate off the snare/trigger/whateverthefuck track works best rather than just an expander itself WITH the lookadhead thing, because it will only open when the snare hits, its more tight.
You say that, but if a mic doesn't work or there's too much bleed or you just don't feel like spending 20 minutes setting the sampler up you'll think twice about it. Plus, it's very useful for automatically ducking other tracks or telling plugins when to do what...
That's the kind of mistake people only make once.
Jeff
That's the kind of mistake people only make once.
Jeff
Sloan
Sounds like shit!
reagate yay!
if your hasing trouble with the hihats triggering the gate, you can specifiy the frequency range the gate will respond to. it's GREAT!
if your hasing trouble with the hihats triggering the gate, you can specifiy the frequency range the gate will respond to. it's GREAT!
I'm going to have to refer you across to a (mostly uninformed) thread over at SS.org... generally, guitarists trying to know things about drums don't go over too well, and this is what happens when shit hits the fan into another fan at a municipal waste plant: http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/drums-percussion/53526-anyone-else-hate-triggers.html#post976580
Jeff
Sloan
Sounds like shit!
Sloan
Sounds like shit!
Ermz
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Thanks for the reagate suggestion, Jbroll. I'll check it out now. Looking at the UI, the functionality seems fantastic.
