Captain Beard
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Gayhem is fucking boring.
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1) Black metal is first and foremost defined by Black Metal Ideology. It MUST have to do with Satanism. All others can be labeled "black-influenced" but cannot claim the title of black metal.
2) Black metal is secondly defined by a specific sound. This sound is best defined by DMDS and early Darkthone (and the first two Burzum albums which were actually black metal) releases. The musical part is more flexible than the ideology. Because of this, bands like Deathspell Omega can still claim to be black metal because of their intensely orthodox Satanism.
3) Something cannot claim the tag of "black metal" unless it conforms to both of the above.
These are axioms of black metal. They are not to be questioned.
This explains why bands such as Ondskapt and Watain deserve this title.
This also explains why Burzum's Hvis Lyset Tar Oss & Filosofem are not black metal (inconsistency in ideology).
This also explains why Borknagar, Enslaved, Forest Stream, Agalloch, Wintersun are NOT black metal.
since there will always be people who disagree, I will not argue this further, however it is imperative that I point this out, that there is an unquestionable orthodoxy in the concept of true black metal that must not go unignored.
2) Black metal is secondly defined by a specific sound. This sound is best defined by DMDS and early Darkthone (and the first two Burzum albums which were actually black metal) releases. The musical part is more flexible than the ideology. Because of this, bands like Deathspell Omega can still claim to be black metal because of their intensely orthodox Satanism.
3) Something cannot claim the tag of "black metal" unless it conforms to both of the above.
These are axioms of black metal. They are not to be questioned.
This explains why bands such as Ondskapt and Watain deserve this title.
This also explains why Burzum's Hvis Lyset Tar Oss & Filosofem are not black metal (inconsistency in ideology).
This also explains why Borknagar, Enslaved, Forest Stream, Agalloch, Wintersun are NOT black metal.
since there will always be people who disagree, I will not argue this further, however it is imperative that I point this out, that there is an unquestionable orthodoxy in the concept of true black metal that must not go unignored.
Will Bozarth
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well, he pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one... so with that, i must say that Dimmu Borgir is an awesome black metal band.
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I'll prolly get flamed for this, but aren't the first Dimmu albums considered black metal? :hotjump:
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MajestikMøøse said:
Yay! I know black metal! Give a pat on the back for the black metal n00b! :hotjump:
Will Bozarth
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...and this is where I bow out of the thread, where it ultimately degenerates into meaninglessness.
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I don't see how proper spelling of "degenerated" could be that hard considering that I used the word in the post before yours.
