Gays can't marry in Cali or whatever.

[Omni]

Don't forget how unnatural homosexuality was according to his point of view since that seemingly played a big part in his opinions on the matter, although maybe he's learned something today and changed his mind on that part since then.

Racists who opposed interracial couples because it's supposedly unnatural from their perspective are intolerant. I fail to see how this is any different from what we're talking about right now.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

itt waif misunderstands what intolerance is.

 

[waif]

what

like, he's fine with gay people getting something identical to marriage as long as it's not called marriage.

Racists who opposed interracial couples because it's supposedly unnatural from their perspective are intolerant. I fail to see how this is any different from what we're talking about right now.

well, I imagine it's because he has no problem with gay people having lots of unmarried gay sex, where as bigots have a big problem with my pals fucking their daughters.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

By denying them the institution of marriage he is being fucking intolerant of them, he is thinking of them as SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS.

 

[Omni]

If he has a problem with gay people having sex or having equal rights, then he's being intolerant.

 

[waif]

to you and me it seems that way, but I imagine he has it arranged in his head in a way in which they can have slightly different rights and yet still be equal. You guys are acting like people are rational. Wtf?

 

[Omni]

to you and me it seems that way, but I imagine he has it arranged in his head in a way in which they can have slightly different rights and yet still be equal. You guys are acting like people are rational. Wtf?

If you apparently agree with us, why are you arguing against us like an idiot about whether or not he's intolerant? You demonstrated very well that people aren't rational by doing that, so adding that last part was unnecessary.

 

[waif]

Well, for one thing because I really don't think the word intolerant accurately describes the situation; it might technically apply but I don't think that this situation is best described as intolerance.

 

[Omni]

I just explained very clearly how it is intolerance, since it's interchangeable with the other situation that I presented as a clear-cut example of intolerance aside from the fact that the target of said intolerance is different.

 

[Valerie]

Well, for one thing because I really don't think the word intolerant accurately describes the situation; it might technically apply but I don't think that this situation is best described as intolerance.

It seems more like passive intolerance brought on by ignorance... but intolerance nonetheless.

 

[Ultimate_Symphony]

This thread becomes more interesting as the minutes whiz by

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Religious intolerance, rather, is when a group (a society, a religious group) specifically refuses to tolerate practices, persons or beliefs on religious grounds.

FUCKIN' DOT

 

[waif]

okay...
but also intolerance isn't the word because he's not really refusing to tolerate, just preferring not to - if prop 8 had lost he wouldn't have been hugely upset I suspect.

 

[skeptik]

Religious intolerance is either intolerance motivated by one's own religious beliefs or intolerance against another's religious beliefs or practices. It manifests both at a cultural level, but may also be a formal part of the dogma of particular religious groups.

The mere statement on the part of a religion that its own beliefs and practices are correct and any contrary beliefs incorrect does not in itself constitute intolerance. There are many cases throughout history of established religions tolerating other practices. Religious intolerance, rather, is when a group (a society, a religious group) specifically refuses to tolerate practices, persons or beliefs on religious grounds.

Not allowing gays to marry is intolerant by definition. End of that fucking discussion. Drop it WAIF.

 

[waif]

The preference AchrisK expressed is not equal to "a refusal to tolerate practices"
But whatever. He's still wrong. Going to sleep now.

 

[skeptik]

Are you really arguing the difference between being intolerant and preferring an intolerant practice? Please, just go to sleep, and when you wake up, don't post about this any more.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

Well, how does one defend ones self from a facepalm?

Dragonpunch of course.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

You are right. I agree with you that humans are not just animals and are infinitely more complex in most every way. My point about nature, once again, is that nature itself shows that male + female = the normal, natural way of a species. Based on this, that normal is different than alternative, I prefer that marriage be kept for the natural, and something else be for the alternative. That's all.

Actually humans are not infinitely more complex in most every way. True our intelligence and self-conscious are larger than any other species... but there are other animals who are way more developed in other ways than we are... sense of smell, vision, etc.

Homosexuality is quite common amongst higher mammals... thus it is not at all surprising that it exists amongst humans (who are after all also mammals). There are even some species where homosexual activity is the PREFERED mode of sexual activity (I believe there is a species of Walrus that does this... don't qoute me on that). Thus it is OBVIOUS that homosexuality is in fact a part of nature.

Should all married couples be required to reproduce? After all that is only 'natural'. Should vaginal intercourse be the only sexual activity a man and a woman engage in? After all those parts are clearly the one's designed for each other... etc.

 

[False Joe]

Dragonpunch of course.

I heard it was SONIC BOOOOM.

 

[Einherjar86]

This whole thing is really too bad, and just utter nonsense. It's happening all over America. In Florida the people voted to pass Amendment Two which only further secures marriage as a union between one man and one woman. I voted against the Amendment. But the problem is that so many democrats are coming out to vote for Obama, but none of them are voting on these Amendments. They either don't understand what they're reading (the Amendments are worded very craftily) or they don't even know that an amendment condemning gay marriage is trying to be passed. I mean, congratulations on Obama's win democrats of America, but you guys really failed on voting for these amendments.