General info for Traveling Bands...

dcat said:
Maybe the government can compensate the Musicians for lost earnings?

That would set a horrible trend. We're all in the same boat. How 'bout we get off our asses and think creatively for a second? "How can I help MYSELF rather than ask for society or some government agency to bend over backwards for me?"

Seriously.... this took me about 2 minutes. :Smug:

Fedex

It's that easy.
 
I guess one of the issues with putting a Stradivarius in a luggage hold is the fact that it's not pressurised cabin with temperature control, so strange things can happen to the instrument regardless of how carefully it is handled by the airline. There must be a shipping service you can pay for where the conditions fall in a tightly defined range though, or all kinds of conceivable items could not be shipped.
 
None of your proposed solutions work. Maybe it does for a 5000 dollar PRS which is worth not as much as an expensive violion. A PRS is repairable or recreatable, and insurable. A 100 or 200-year old violion is not.

Putting it in the hold is simply no option. Indeed even in the best flightcase it's too risky. It's temperate AND humidity which will kill your nice violin. To protect it against that you'd need something which can control the environment inside the case... good luck finding that and checking it in, through security and all.

The FedEx solution also doesn't work. Though in general their service is ok, there is NO WAY you can insure a 200.000 euro violin or something like that. And it wouldnt be the first time FedEx just "loses" something... Besides, if you've got a gig in Italy on Monday and one in the UK on tuesday, it's just too slow...
 
AnTz0r said:
None of your proposed solutions work. Maybe it does for a 5000 dollar PRS which is worth not as much as an expensive violion. A PRS is repairable or recreatable, and insurable. A 100 or 200-year old violion is not.

Putting it in the hold is simply no option. Indeed even in the best flightcase it's too risky. It's temperate AND humidity which will kill your nice violin. To protect it against that you'd need something which can control the environment inside the case... good luck finding that and checking it in, through security and all.

The FedEx solution also doesn't work. Though in general their service is ok, there is NO WAY you can insure a 200.000 euro violin or something like that. And it wouldnt be the first time FedEx just "loses" something... Besides, if you've got a gig in Italy on Monday and one in the UK on tuesday, it's just too slow...

Perhaps you have a point regarding the Fed Ex solution in regards to a 200 year old violin (but really.... are there very many musicians who are on tour w/ gigs in Italy one night and the UK on the next night with 200 year old violins?), but like I said... I spent 2 minutes max on it. I'm sure with some thought and energy put into creating a solution rather than complaining, asking for an exception or special treatment..... one could be found... and that's all I'm really trying to say.
 
^ No sweat Mr Samsara...

The last thing I want is to see this thread on Opeth Forum turn into a political / terrorist argument :(

Delete it at your leasure man, I think the message is received...

TY.

;)
 
Mr Samsara said:
Perhaps you have a point regarding the Fed Ex solution in regards to a 200 year old violin (but really.... are there very many musicians who are on tour w/ gigs in Italy one night and the UK on the next night with 200 year old violins?), but like I said... I spent 2 minutes max on it. I'm sure with some thought and energy put into creating a solution rather than complaining, asking for an exception or special treatment..... one could be found... and that's all I'm really trying to say.

easy for you to say.... come up with a good one instead of saying "it's so easy, easy!"

say you're a professional musician, let's say you have a €30.000 violiin? any good violin is easily worth that money.

i would NEVER EVER fedex it. really.

-it takes/could take too long (sometimes they loose it for a few weeks)
-it could be damaged
-it could be lost

i spend some time on guitar boards, just a small grab from stories i've heard so far:

someone buys a guitar from the US (im in the Netherlands), it gets delivered almost half a year later, after spending time on the phone with UPS for almost every week.

someone buys a combo amp and it comes home wrecked. apparently customs didnt trust it, they wanted to open it, were VERY blunt with it. the speaker was removed and all torn, backpanel removed and nowhere to be found, and it was in very shaky condition over all. customs denied responsibility of course, and so did the transport company...

and yes, then there was the infamous story of the PRS that got lost by UPS....


then imagine sending something 30x as expensive, not insurable, with a cultural heritage, AND to top it all, with strong emotional value (NOBODY touches my bass....).

it sucks. i would NOT do it.






so far, the only workable solution would be to take a ferry to the mainland, i.e. from Dover to Hoek van Holland, take a train from there to Schiphol. From there you can fly anywhere. takes a lot of extra time though... and money.

by the way, the UK government is also trying to make all EU countries enforce the same policy. if they have their way, soon this solution will vanish as well. the effectivity of the measures is unproven...
 
AnTz0r said:
easy for you to say.... come up with a good one instead of saying "it's so easy, easy!"

say you're a professional musician, let's say you have a €30.000 violiin? any good violin is easily worth that money.

i would NEVER EVER fedex it. really.

-it takes/could take too long (sometimes they loose it for a few weeks)
-it could be damaged
-it could be lost

i spend some time on guitar boards, just a small grab from stories i've heard so far:

someone buys a guitar from the US (im in the Netherlands), it gets delivered almost half a year later, after spending time on the phone with UPS for almost every week.

someone buys a combo amp and it comes home wrecked. apparently customs didnt trust it, they wanted to open it, were VERY blunt with it. the speaker was removed and all torn, backpanel removed and nowhere to be found, and it was in very shaky condition over all. customs denied responsibility of course, and so did the transport company...

and yes, then there was the infamous story of the PRS that got lost by UPS....

then imagine sending something 30x as expensive, not insurable, with a cultural heritage, AND to top it all, with strong emotional value (NOBODY touches my bass....).

it sucks. i would NOT do it.


so far, the only workable solution would be to take a ferry to the mainland, i.e. from Dover to Hoek van Holland, take a train from there to Schiphol. From there you can fly anywhere. takes a lot of extra time though... and money.

by the way, the UK government is also trying to make all EU countries enforce the same policy. if they have their way, soon this solution will vanish as well. the effectivity of the measures is unproven...

First: I previously typed you about a page of information which took me several minutes, copied it to my clipboard and attempted to post it. UM is unresponsive, Explorer crashes, my clipboard is wiped clean, post lost. FUCK!:mad:

So... in honor of Thomas Jefferson - 3rd President of the United States of America who said, "The most valuable of all talents is that of never using two words when one will do." I will attempt this again.... but try to keep is short.

I think you missed my point, which may be my fault. I find your post filled with a "1/2 empty" mentality. I'm not a big fan of "it can't be done". I didn't mean to imply that the solution is easy, but rather that the formula for reaching the solution is easy.... "Figure it out".

Your post is riddled with anecdotal accounts of shipping disasters. I'm sure they are all true but I'm equally sure that there are millions of stories of successful shipping experience.

30 more seconds on Google revealed that FedEx (and "No", I'm not an employee) has a service to handle such matters.
I'm sure someone, somewhere has figured out how to ship antiquities, historically significant items, sensitive instruments, electronic equipment, artwork, temperature or moisture sensitive items, ceramic or glass ware, blah blah blah... and frankly, if there is such a market of musicians who need such a service and none yet exists.... there is a fantastic entrepreneurial opportunity for the creative and motivated individual.

Again, not saying I have found the solution to this exact problem, but I did present a small bit of reasoning and progress toward the solution with a minimum of time and effort. Think of what's possible with a maximum of motivation and effort..... rather than those in the story who whined about how bad it sucks, and how perhaps they should be compensated somehow for their inconvenience. Gimme a break.
 
i got your point, don't worry. i just don't agree with it :)

i am studying to become an engineer, our university is famous for it's pragmatical approach. never whine, just find a way to do it :) so considering that, i should agree with you. for every problem there should be a solution.

however, some problems just defy logic. this is not some equipment you have to ship, this is an item you have a really personal and emotional relationship with, if you play a lot and care about your instrument. they are IRREPLACABLE.

so you can start finding a solution to ship them, and try to minimize the risk, but for some people it's not enough! it's like this: if you want to take my instrument and carry it across the atlantic, you'll have to pry it from my dead hands, because there is no WAY that i will trust anyone but myself with it.