General Tom EQ tips?

[greyskull]

compression 4:1 fast atttack , slow release.

boost some top, cut some boxyness, boost some bottom on floor tom

 

[nwright]

Just a quick question? And by the way im using Nuendo 3
When joey talk's about setting up a Compression bus to send all the drums too(kick,snare,tom). how do i do that exactly?
Do I set a compressor up on a FX Channel Track
and then on the snare , kick, and tom individual tracks i go to the send tab and add it there ??? is this right just want to make sure...cause i think i might totally be wrong and I probaly am.......then i would also do the reverb like this too correct. I would really like to try this.
cheers

I'm also a Nuendo user and this sound about right to me, except I don't use an FX channel track, I just set up a group channel track and set up the sends from each drum track to send to that group track and add the comp plugin there. I love doing this, is makes the snare sound insane and the whole kit just kills.

 

[ghostofbridgeport]

I'm also a Nuendo user and this sound about right to me, except I don't use an FX channel track, I just set up a group channel track and set up the sends from each drum track to send to that group track and add the comp plugin there. I love doing this, is makes the snare sound insane and the whole kit just kills.

Cool that totally slipped my mind...that sounds right
Anybody else want to comment on this is the right way to do it......it seems like it

 

[IanBTS]

then you're going to definately need reverb to make the snare and the toms larger than life. if you dont, they're just compressed hits. reverb adds the necessary body and tails to the hits that make the kit bigger than it is on tape. do the reverb individually for each drum track (dont send from the drum compression bus!)
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So it's a bad idea to bus the drums for reverb? (even if it's a different FX send than the compression bus?) Why does each drum track need to have it's own separate reverb?

 

[Pedro Teixeira]

It depends, you can do it either way, I believe what joey said was to NOT send a reverb from the drum COMPRESSION bus... but I could be wrong. Btw, congratulations on digging a 2 year old thread

 

[LeviathanMetal]

In audio recording, there isn't an "always".

the only exception I've been bear witness to is, "Always charge shitty bands more than good bands." at least thats how I see it work 'round here...

Hahaha thats absoloutly awsome and blatenly true lol

 

[IanBTS]

It depends, you can do it either way, I believe what joey said was to NOT send a reverb from the drum COMPRESSION bus... but I could be wrong. Btw, congratulations on digging a 2 year old thread

Haha wow I didn't even pay attention to that. I found a link to this thread from another more recent thread from a couple of weeks ago. Searched for it today because I wanted to read up on some of the stuff again...never noticed it was that old lol

But yeah I figured not to put the reverb on the same bus as the compressor was on because you'd only be putting the 'verb on the compressed signal. I was just wondering if each track should actually have it's own separate reverb or if another bus was a better way to go

 

[ahjteam]

Sample from my tom mix from the freeware mix project (floor tom on the left, rack tom on the right):
http://www.ahjteam.com/upload/bigtoms.mp3 (raw - processed - effected)

processing: gate, eq, compression
effecting: reverb, multiband compression



Can't remember the exact eq settings right out of my head (Send the tracks thru a frequency analyzer if you are interested), I highpassed the tracks, boosted the low end, cut the mids and boosted the attack. compressor set so that attack is about 40ms and release about 50ms, ratio 4:1 and threshold set so that it cuts about 3-5dB.

 

[gabriel g.]

I found out that you can do HUGH things with the waves API 2500 comp.
I set the attack time at max (very slow) and the release time very short (fastest)

This works wonders on the drum-bus (kick, snare, toms)
Very punchy

 

[Styvo]

I love the whole eq before comping or comping before eq debate,it's amusing because either way guys doing it manage to get great results.
I am currently eq and then comping but i was comping before equing.
On this next mix coming up I'm going to comp before eq just for shits and giggles,but i couldn't agree more with what Audiophile 777 say's "In audio recording, there isn't an "always".
The only always is to use and trust your ears.
@joeymusicguy great feedback from you Thumbs up.

 

[Glenn Fricker]

Start with a 421. I've had numerous tom mics over the years & the 421 just can't be beat for this particular application. You'll find you need less EQ.

 

[reg3n]

thanks a lot for the info joeymusicguy, i'm having the same problems with toms (wich i never really payed too much attention...) definately those eq tips make the whole thing sound bigger

 

[brianhood]

i started to make note of joey's tips before i realized that post was like 2 years old haha. I'm sure he does alot of that stuff differently now

 

[joeymusicguy]

i started to make note of joey's tips before i realized that post was like 2 years old haha. I'm sure he does alot of that stuff differently now

yep

 

[Jaymz]

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[gabriel g.]

Joey do you still use different verbs for the snare and toms?

 

[DanLights]

yep

well care to give a small insight on what you do know? what do you do differently than what you posted two years ago?

bumping this old thread again, sorry I´m curious bout this

 

[Emdprodukt]

me too loved everything I've heard from joey so far!

 

[DaveBlack]

yes, I'm very interested as well. Toms really do a number on me...usually a number 2...I was actually repremanded at the studio last night for my horrible tom mix by a senior engineer.

 

[DanLights]

yes, I'm very interested as well. Toms really do a number on me...usually a number 2...I was actually repremanded at the studio last night for my horrible tom mix by a senior engineer.

ouch. Im guessing at least you got some tips from that senior engineer on how to do it right?