German circumcision ban

[ratsapprentice]

Calling for the foreskin to be removed on the grounds of hygiene is like saying it's preferable to be bald so your head is less likely to be dirty.

 

[Machinated]

id be devastated without my foreskin, we've had some emotional times together over the years. snipping them off is wrong (and for sickos).

 

[SocialNumb]

All cocks are nasty to me. I also have a thing against meat curtains. uke:

 

[Boerboel666]

I know one person in the UK who had to have the chop for medical reasons and only because he put his dick in a nasty gash whilst travelling . Cutting off part of a baby boys bits is wrong in 99.9% of cases .

 

[ratsapprentice]

I also have a thing against meat curtains. uke:

I'm going to go ahead and assume that not very many people are fans of jowly crotches, of either variety.

 

[Mutant]

Re. uncleaniness of the uncut:

Seriously what the fuck ?
All you need to do is to clean it while taking a 5 minute shower at least once every day and your girlfriend wont complain for sure.
It was a valid argument in the dark ages when people almost never bathed, but not today.

 

[Skinny Viking]

Jowly crotches

 

[Joelegend]

Just think this way: religious conviction equal to culture. Now, if they make a law against loud heavy metal shows that could hurt people hearing would it be a good law?

I think that its not possible to limitate some kinds of cultures by law, since the state comes from culture. There is no state if there is no people

There are laws like that now in Belgium. Not directly pointed at heavy music, but they are trying to make a law that concerts can't be over 100dB. Kinda wierd formula tho, it's sorta based on the size of the club or whatever. But at this moment it are mostly medium sized metalclubs who suffer from it.
More info you find if you google for "Highway To Hell Schauvliege". Some damn bitch who probably never saw a band live came up with it.

 

[John_C]

Tbh I just think that you shouldn't be allowed to force your children to have any sort of permanent body alteration unless there's a good medical reason for it.

 

[Ermz]

The problem with male circumcision is that the complications get higher the longer one waits to have it done. The ideal time to have the procedure is effectively while the person doesn't have the cognitive faculties to make the decision for themselves. This hopefully allows them to forget the trauma as they get into adulthood

If you're doing this shit for religious reasons, you'd best ask yourselves why your God would play this trick on your children. It's sadistically ironic. Though compassion and reasonable thought have never been qualities ascribed to it/him.

If you're a free thinking person, just don't do it. The hygienic reasons are all but invalid in the modern era. Despite how 'minor' the procedure, it's still permanent bodily mutilation and it does cause significant pain. Not to mention it reduces the sensation of pleasure during sex.

 

[LeSedna]

No study ever proved circumcision is healthier at least in the modern era. Its about time someone takes a move against it so that people stop doing it for any reason.

 

[Brandon E.]

But my dick looks totally awesome circumcised.

+1

 

[Trevoire520]

With the same logic one could argue that baptims should be banned too (everyone should be able to decide for himself if he wants to be part of a religious group or not)

Fucking this +100000000

Religion should be illegal until you're 18 imo. Pummelling kids with religious beliefs when they're so young and impressionable isn't exactly letting them make an informed decision. Wait till they can understand what you're getting into imo.

Also cutting a kids cock without their permission is wrong no matter what your god tells you. If it's required for medical reasons then thats obviously ok.
Just think that your kid has to live with the decision you made for the rest of their life. Would you like someone else to make a decision involving your junk and a scalpel without your consent?

 

[kaomao]

The problem is that as a parent you should not harm your baby, who gives a fucking shit if the baby hasn't foreskin anymore, the problem is the baby's pain.
I hate that, I don't want to see my baby in a huge pain.
People don't get this, they just say "oh he will not remember anything...." I'll glady cut the cock of these people with a machete and see if they like it.....

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

Thread was TL so I DR.

I'm somewhat amazed that there is a law like this. Seems fucking silly to give a shit about such a little thing. (yeah you see what I did there don't you).

 

[NNotN-ENN]

Not to mention it reduces the sensation of pleasure during sex.

This is as tenuous as the "it's cleaner" argument...

 

[jipchen]

I think some people here didn't get that it's specifically about religious curcumcisions, not the medical / voluntary ones.
Personally I think this law was overdue. Yes everyone is free to practice their own shitty religion - as long as it doesn't hurt others or affects their personal freedom.

 

[TravisW]

I'd imagine that if you still have your foreskin, you probably don't have a dog in this fight.

Not a day goes by that I give more or less of a shit about the foreskin that was cut off my wang in 1975. My total skin loss due to parental action (or lack thereof) weighs much more heavily towards "non-foreskin" than "foreskin". The question of whether or not my foreskin should or should not have been cut off has had less of an effect on my life than the question of whether the 1976 Plymouth Volare was going to be a better car than the 1975 Valiant - at least I remember the Volare.

If people have the need to make that choice for their children, it's certainly no greater a decision than where they go to school, how they are disciplined, or anything else that parents do every day.

 

[colonel kurtz]

BTW, male circumcision from a religious pov, is EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME AS FEMALE CIRCUMCISION!

i'm gonna go ahead and say there's a huge difference

i have a 6-month old son who we had circumsized at birth. the doctor didn't even do it "surgically"...he just put a small, tight, rubber band around the foreskin, and it fell off about a week later - around the same time as the umbilical cord.

pretty different from savages who slice off little girl's clits with steak knives and no anesthesia or proper medical treatment/care

edit: also, for anyone who claims that the medical claims have no validity in the modern world...have you ever tried cleaning a baby's dick? even without foreskin, those things are hard to get to and wipe down properly

 

[JeffTD]

i'm gonna go ahead and say there's a huge difference

i have a 6-month old son who we had circumsized at birth. the doctor didn't even do it "surgically"...he just put a small, tight, rubber band around the foreskin, and it fell off about a week later - around the same time as the umbilical cord.

pretty different from savages who slice off little girl's clits with steak knives and no anesthesia or proper medical treatment/care

He's saying that from a religious point of view, the whole purpose of the procedure is to reduce pleasure derived from sex. In that sense, the two are exactly the same.