Gigantour 2008 lineup revealed

[No-Mercy]

The fact of the matter is, he's ONLY asking bands who are either NOT REAL Metal

tell me, please, what the fuck "real metal" is, and what you have to do to fit under the list? is it not be played on radio or tv at all? do you have to have at least 1 song per album about magic?

pretty ignorant statement on your part. especially because the general direction of your statement leads to call even COB "not real metal". to sit and call other bands that have contributed to the genre fake is pretty ridiculous and unintelligent.
it leads me to believe that if there really is anything as "not real metal", it would ecompass those who throw the term around to label bands that do/dont meet whatever unsensible criteria the opinion is based off of.

or just going by who's ALREADY making the most amount of money

id like to see COB's, InFlames', HOF's, and JFAC's response to this. yes, im sure they are so wealthy, probably just rolling in cash due to they are the clear leaders of profit as far as metal bands go...or, so you say, "not real metal" bands go.

-that said, i dont think dave should have changed anythign after 05. i am dissapointed.

 

[Pellaz]

Golly, Dave is booking bands for his festival that actually have FANS? They actually HAVE A FOLLOWING?

What is he thinking?! Is he actually trying not to lose his ass on the tour this time? <Toki> Wowee! </Toki>

-that said, i dont think dave should have changed anythign after 05. i am dissapointed.

Me, too, but I think Dave lost money that year, or at least, didn't do all that well. I'd love it if he'd get more bands that "we" at PP like, but in the harsh reality of metal in the USA in 2008, if he wants to stage a tour at all, it's got to have some more wide-reaching bands.
CoB and In Flames certainly qualify. JFaC and High On Fire are played often on, e.g., MusicChoice and have label support and have toured, so they're far from being unknowns. It's not the lineup I'd choose, but it might not lose money.

 

[dcowboys311]

1st of, YES I DO USE MY BRAIN, do YOU? & Just because Dave did all of that, that was diff than Ozzy, doesn't mean he didn't out & is being just like Ozzy. The fact of the matter is, he's ONLY asking bands who are either NOT REAL Metal, or just going by who's ALREADY making the most amount of money, & who are already WELL established acts here in the USA! Much like SnozzeFest! Unlike PPUSA which gets bands that not everyone knows like for instance next year's line-up! Sorry, I didn't realize I needed to draw it all out for you! Now, who's not using their brains?

BTW, yes, the gimmick is Gigantour! DUH!!

Please then, educate me on what "real metal" is. As far as I knew until you so kindly enlightened me, I had thought that Children of Bodom was power metal w/harsh vocals, In Flames had some melo-death material, High on Fire was doom/stoner, and Job for a Cowboy was death metal (although they used to be deathcore. Now they're just a poor man's Suffocation. Like, really poor. Homeless leper with AIDS poor.)

High on Fire is a "WELL established act" in the US? Re-read the thread and you'll find that more people are unfamiliar with them than who already know their stuff. Compare the past lineups to this one and you'll find that as far as name recognition goes, this is the weakest of the 3.

PPUSA and Gigantour serve completely different purposes, so you really have no point.

 

[DoomsdayZach]

High on Fire is a "WELL established act" in the US? Re-read the thread and you'll find that more people are unfamiliar with them than who already know their stuff. Compare the past lineups to this one and you'll find that as far as name recognition goes, this is the weakest of the 3.

I generally agree with what your point is, but this is kind of a silly statement to make based on the progpower forum... High on Fire doesn't cater to the prog/power crowd and aren't as big as the other ones (this is true), but just because most people on the progpower forum haven't heard of them doesn't mean much. It may surprise you all to find out that outside of this forum and their local area, Stride are pretty well unheard of by the mass majority of metal fans. It's all about where you look. HoF are a huge name in their scene.

 

[7thSaviour]

Aren't HoF considered stoner rock?

 

[Dolamite S. Biffle]

Aren't HoF considered stoner rock?

I would say that.

 

[...AndTimeBegan]

id like to see COB's, InFlames', HOF's, and JFAC's response to this. yes, im sure they are so wealthy, probably just rolling in cash due to they are the clear leaders of profit as far as metal bands go...or, so you say, "not real metal" bands go.

-that said, i dont think dave should have changed anythign after 05. i am dissapointed.

In Flames has notably cashed in on their later albums. I'd wager that the band collectively makes several million euros for every album cycle and if you watch their latest studio diaries you'll see it's no secret that they are indeed "living the life" right now. I'm not saying that's a bad thing by the way, but it's a fact.

However that doesn't necessarily mean Gigantour is helping anyone go from rags to riches.

 

[...AndTimeBegan]

Yes, I do listen to metal.

Honestly, I don't think so. All I see you doing is gossiping about metal bands and drawing huge assumptions about their personal lives... for example, not wanting to buy Tarja's CD because you dislike her personality (do not comment on this. I'm merely drawing an example... no need to derail the thread). I'm not a fan of High On Fire either, but they worked hard and are probably bigger than every band that has ever played ProgPower (including the headliners). To assume that nobody has heard of them and that Dave has some ulterior motives to cater to whatever "major labels" (Yeah Relapse Records is REALLY major... lol) push to him is a testament to your ignorance, I am sorry to say.

 

[dcowboys311]

I generally agree with what your point is, but this is kind of a silly statement to make based on the progpower forum... High on Fire doesn't cater to the prog/power crowd and aren't as big as the other ones (this is true), but just because most people on the progpower forum haven't heard of them doesn't mean much. It may surprise you all to find out that outside of this forum and their local area, Stride are pretty well unheard of by the mass majority of metal fans. It's all about where you look. HoF are a huge name in their scene.

Oh, I know all about High on Fire. Hell, if you look earlier in the thread, I basically said that anybody with any knowledge of doom at all knows who they are. But the fact is, doom is an even smaller niche market in the States than the prog/power market is, so even the largest doom band is only on the same level as a mid-size power metal band here.

 

[No-Mercy]

In Flames has notably cashed in on their later albums. I'd wager that the band collectively makes several million euros for every album cycle and if you watch their latest studio diaries you'll see it's no secret that they are indeed "living the life" right now. I'm not saying that's a bad thing by the way, but it's a fact.

right. i was just pointing out to say only bands who are already making alot of money does not apply to that whole list. as well, pointing out that in no way does that warrant calling a band "not real metal".

 

[Perditions Ghost]

In Dave's defense for the whole "He's going for the most popular metal bands" - From what I've heard, he's wanted CoB on the tour since the first one - a few months before the mass success of Are You Dead Yet?. Granted, they weren't particularly underground after Hate Crew Deathroll either, but they were still nowhere near the success they got from AYDY.

I think everyone's forgetting that the reason just about everyone here has heard of all the bands playing (Except High On Fire for some of you), is that there's no second stage this year. The second stage were always the bands that were there to be introduced to the crowd.

2005's second stage consisted of Bobaflex, Dry Kill Logic, Symphony X, and Life of Agony. The main stage had Nevermore (though they could arguably have been said to be another band to be introduced to the crowd), The Dillinger Escape Plan, Fear Factory, Dream Theater/Anthrax, and Megadeth. I dare say Dream Theater is more popular than any of the bands on this years bill (not counting Megadeth).

2006's second stage was The SmashUp, Sanctity, Into Eternity, and Overkill. EACH of the band's on main stage that year (Opeth, Arch Enemy, Lamb of God, Megadeth) could headline their own tours and get a good turnout by the time Gigantour rolled around that year. Opeth had done their own U.S. tour in February of that year headlining with Devin Townsend Band and Dark Tranquillity, and I know atleast the Rhode Island date had a decent turnout. Arch Enemy had toured with God Forbid earlier in the year, and Lamb of God was just done with a co-headlining tour with Slayer.

The only reason the bands are all big-names is because there is no second stage. Compare this main stage to main stages of the past. It's no different.

 

[...AndTimeBegan]

Oh, I know all about High on Fire. Hell, if you look earlier in the thread, I basically said that anybody with any knowledge of doom at all knows who they are. But the fact is, doom is an even smaller niche market in the States than the prog/power market is, so even the largest doom band is only on the same level as a mid-size power metal band here.

I disagree. Amorphis, Katatonia, Candlemass, etc are all bigger than 95% of all the bands that have played ProgPower. High On Fire is more stoner rock than doom, but regardless is probably bigger than all of these bands.

 

[Perditions Ghost]

I disagree. Amorphis, Katatonia, Candlemass, etc are all bigger than 95% of all the bands that have played ProgPower. High On Fire is more stoner rock than doom, but regardless is probably bigger than all of these bands.

In the U.S.? Candlemass yes, but I don't think Amorphis or Katatonia are any more popular than many of the ProgPower bands here in the States.

 

[...AndTimeBegan]

In the U.S.? Candlemass yes, but I don't think Amorphis or Katatonia are any more popular than many of the ProgPower bands here in the States.

All of these bands did extremely high profile headlining tours. In fact, Amorphis got a tour opening up for Type O Negative in 2005 but that got canceled. Let's also add Paradise Lost to the list of doom bands that are more popular than most prog and power metal bands as well, while we're at it.

 

[...AndTimeBegan]

right. i was just pointing out to say only bands who are already making alot of money does not apply to that whole list. as well, pointing out that in no way does that warrant calling a band "not real metal".

Agreed. And even if it was the case, good music is good music. Whether or not it's metal has nothing to do with it .

 

[DoomsdayZach]

Oh, I know all about High on Fire. Hell, if you look earlier in the thread, I basically said that anybody with any knowledge of doom at all knows who they are. But the fact is, doom is an even smaller niche market in the States than the prog/power market is, so even the largest doom band is only on the same level as a mid-size power metal band here.

I can't say i completely agree with that, but i don't have to. I have nothing to back up any "facts" otherwise, so i'll leave it at "i disagree".

And as for HoF, I'm gonna argue semantics... they're not stoner rock. Stoner rock is more along the lines of The Hidden Hand, Well... anything Scott Wino has done... also check out Meteor City records for a good cross-section of the genre. Not that most people here would be interested in it... i sure as fuck am not, but as far as educational purposes go, i'd say that's a good reference point. Personally, i'd say HoF is more of a pretty straight stoner metal band... the stuff i've heard is too heavy to be "rock", too fast to be doom... again, arguing semantics but the styles are vastly different.

Anyway, cheers.

 

[TychoCelchu]

Amorphis and Katatonia are also not doom. Doom does have a couple of high-visibility bands, such as Candlemass along with My Dying Bride and Solitude Aeturnus, and of those only Candlemass is able to do some US touring, not the way prog's top bands (Queensryche, DT, Symphony X, and even Fates) are able to tour the US with regularity. Move further underground, and doom has its long tail and underground scene that's as far out of the average rocker's awareness as prog's underground bands.

 

[7thSaviour]

Amorphis is a band that richly deserves to play PPUSA, IMO, OR as a Showcase headliner.

 

[mloanna]

HIGH ON FIRE. HELL YEAH!!!

 

[...AndTimeBegan]

Amorphis and Katatonia are also not doom. Doom does have a couple of high-visibility bands, such as Candlemass along with My Dying Bride and Solitude Aeturnus, and of those only Candlemass is able to do some US touring, not the way prog's top bands (Queensryche, DT, Symphony X, and even Fates) are able to tour the US with regularity. Move further underground, and doom has its long tail and underground scene that's as far out of the average rocker's awareness as prog's underground bands.

Amorphis and Katatonia are most definitely doom... What are you talking about?

And Candlemass is *only* able to do some US touring? This is Candlemass' first tour in years, meanwhile Amorphis did several headlining tours and got an offer to open for Type O Negative and Katatonia did 2 high profile tours recently.