having trouble getting the drums to cut through....

[melovine]

its SD 2.0, a mesa dual recto two channel running out of the fx loop send using recabinet 2.0 and DI bass through a Chameleon labs 7602



would really like some opinions on this, im rather new to mixing and need tips and pointers

 

[outbreak525]

Just lower the cymbals and turn up the drums as a start.

 

[chrisrivalry]

killer guitar tone man, parallel comp those drums!! get them sludgier.

 

[melovine]

i did parallel comp them with the logic comp maybe im not setting it right though :/ thanks for the complement on the guitars too! i am really loving running out straight out of the pre.

 

[RedDog]

Have your drums peak around or above -16 and your guitars at -18 MAX. Instant drum slam.

 

[melovine]

ok so at the moment i usually get everything (drums, guitar, bass, ect...) at -2db is this going to be a huge problem in the end for me?

 

[Jordon]

Just turn everything down so that you aren't too close to peaking at the 2Buss. You want to leave plenty of headroom on the 2Buss so you don't have build up issues, and when you get around to mastering it, it can be done properly. Sounds to me like the guitars have a lot of low/low mid content that is eating up the mix. Same for the bass, quite a bit of mud in there. I'd clean up that mud in the bass and guitars, turn the overheads (all cymbals) and the guitars and bass down.

That should be a decent starting point. Might not hurt to put a nice compressor on the 2buss to glue who whole mix if you haven't done so.

 

[RedDog]

ok so at the moment i usually get everything (drums, guitar, bass, ect...) at -2db is this going to be a huge problem in the end for me?

Yes. Turn the FUCK down.

 

[Trevoire520]

Sounds great man. Just turn your guitar and bass down to let the drums punch through. If your guitar and bass are hitting -2dBFS then there's no room for the drums to punch above that.

 

[jENK]

Usually turning things down is a better solution for bringing something up in the mix.

 

[melovine]

ok so another amature question, im using Ozone to master it, if im not getting a good volume out of the mix after dropping all of the levels to leave head room what route should i take? revist the mastering settings? or try a whole different angle on the mastering?

 

[JonWormwood]

Have your drums peak around or above -16 and your guitars at -18 MAX. Instant drum slam.

^^^

 

[Trevoire520]

Just bring down the threshold on your mastering limiter to compensate

 

[melovine]

ok so ive got the drums at about -16 db, guitars at -18 db, and pulled some lowered the cymbols, tried to follow some tips, and heres my result. It seems like im missing something still :/ the drums sit better but i feel like ive lost alot of power from the guitars. any opinions?

http://soundcloud.com/audiopharm/the-great-dying-mix-3

 

[Charlie E.]

Seems I can't hear mix 3. Did you take it down?

 

[RedDog]

Link's down or it's private.

 

[melovine]

sorry about that here ya go

 

[Jordon]

I'd still bring the overheads down a bit, but it sounds way better to my ears.

 

[melovine]

thanks! ill turn the overheads down a bit more and see what i come out with, im still not feeling the drums are as present as id like them to be though, am i being over analytical or do they still seem pretty buried?

also, great tip on the drums being at -18 and guitars at -16, any tips on bass level? i always seem to over compensate on the bass volume

 

[RedDog]

Equal to lesser power on the bass. I have mine almost 3 dB less than guitars in a lot of places. What monitors are you using? I hear plenty of thud out of your drums.