Heavy Ermz Mix

[Ermz]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/285689/Forum/Fortin Natas Song 8.mp3

You'll likely recognize this as the song Ola tried the Fortin Natas out on. Thanks again for giving me the tracks, mate! It's been really interesting trying to work out the amp's sweet spot in a mix.

This is basically standard fare for me. Somewhere between a quick and moderate-duration mix. All the usual outboard, Nebula CLC stuff and debuting this time is the Nebula R2R tape saturation for the first time ever on my master bus. Also using a Nebula Massive Passive on there.

Tried to go more for vibe/crushing/heavy rather than separated, fairy-drums like the usual modern metal fare.

Vocals came up interesting I think. From what I gather they were tracked 'ghetto-style' with a 57 in a house. Using about 12dB of high-shelf on them, haha, amongst a ton of mid and low cuts. Not to mention 3 compressors and 2 limiters (3 outboard and 2 ITB varieties).

Thanks for listening!

EDIT 2: New mix, different balance, cleaner overall: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/285689/Forum/Fortin Natas Song 12.mp3

 

[crillemannen]

Cool mix man, you have definitely developed a recognizable tone. Awesome bass tone. I still feel that your drums could be a bit more punchy and forward but that is all subjective.

 

[Nuno Filipe]

That bass seems too loud. I might be the only one but that fortin natas the costs more than my car sounds somehow digital, lifeless and flat IMO. But hey the mix is great.

 

[kev]

I might be the only one but that fortin natas the costs more than my car sounds somehow digital, lifeless and flat IMO. But hey the mix is great.

I was thinking exactly the same on my listen before seeing this post. Cant seem to dig that tone at all. Very cool overall mix though.

 

[Mago]

tbh I also liked the guitars in Olas clip more, but hell you made those vocals kick some serious ass
bass is really loud and drums are low too

 

[Jaekae]

its a nice mix but the bass and guitars sound kinda weird, especially the bass, not liking it at all

 

[Pedro Teixeira]

I do agree the tone is not the best I've heard, but I do like it. The mix is pretty great! I actually prefer the 1st version you posted here, with less kick and snare.



Slight OT: Ermz, where did you get Massive Passive program for Nebula?

 

[Ermz]

Here's the mix from 2 days ago with my first attempt at processing the guitars. It's different, you may or may not like. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/285689/Forum/OlaFortin-ErmzMix5.mp3

I tried to keep the guitar processing minimal for the mix, but it wasn't possible. The way that I mix I just simply cannot have big guitar sounds otherwise it sounds like an absolute mess. Mixing is compromise - trading off qualities in some tracks in order to gain them in others. The reason you might like the vocals is because the guitars are sculpted in a way to make space for them. Both can't be dominant in the same areas at the same time. The guitar tone had some strong high mids, and they sounded pretty rockin, but they absolutely had to go for the vocal to make sense.

I also prefer mix 8, where the drums are more in check. 7 is a bit too peaky and less glued. All depends though, this track isn't mastered... it's just maximized to give an idea. In a real final product anything could happen really. Would be up to the ME.

@Sptz: The Mammoth program is what you're after. AnalogInTheBox.

 

[Soundlurker]

Listened to the mp3 in the OP: Nasty 2.3khz and a bit more 600hz then I'm comfortable with. Other than that - the drums and low end are awesome. Guitars are cool but not $923905235 cool

 

[Ermz]

Hahah. I have peak EQs set exactly at both frequencies, sucking out around about 7dB. Apparently they need more.

 

[rino655]

WOW ermz this stuff is really good!

 

[Sam Bottner]

Not liking any individual tones or anything in the mix really. Comes together alright I guess, but not the best you've done.

 

[Charles J]

yeah man, i'm not really digging this. missing the air and spaciousness that your usual stuff does....

also, i fucking HATE how the natas sounds in the context of a mix. Christ.

Vocals sound AWESOME, though. Only thing that makes me listen to the song and stay listening... =D

 

[BrettT]

Bass is a too loud...a bit distracting. Dunno, seems like the Recto bass tone doesn't blend well with that guitar sound...they sound too separated. Might change if the guitars were a bit louder and/or the bass lower.

 

[gabriel g.]

sounds a bit messy :/

you can do like 100times better

 

[gabriel g.]

Maybe you over-do with eq´s.... It works great on drums but not on instruments with longer undefined transients like guitars, bass, vocals piano....so on.

And the bass is WAY to loud, and I am a hugh LOUD-BASS sound!!!!

 

[Mago]

I tried to keep the guitar processing minimal for the mix, but it wasn't possible. The way that I mix I just simply cannot have big guitar sounds otherwise it sounds like an absolute mess. Mixing is compromise - trading off qualities in some tracks in order to gain them in others. The reason you might like the vocals is because the guitars are sculpted in a way to make space for them. Both can't be dominant in the same areas at the same time. The guitar tone had some strong high mids, and they sounded pretty rockin, but they absolutely had to go for the vocal to make sense.

That makes perfect sense...
Yep, I liked the guitars in mix5 better.

 

[barricade]

Yeah...the bass makes the mix sound meh...

 

[metalfanat1c]

Bass needs more low end. If you're going to go for the top end thing it's gotta rumble too. Other than that, I'm pretty fond of how everything comes together. I should try my hand at bright mixes some time... I usually mix fairly neutral.


And those vocals sound fucking awesome!

 

[Nebulous]

I like it. You channelling some old Meshuggah there Ermz?