Heirs to the DT throne?

AngraRULES said:
God, that is so true... I've been in a big PoS kick lately, and it's still hard to believe what they did to themselves with the Road Salts... :(

I wish you'd bring them back under one condition... Nothing off of those albums. :lol:
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Road Salt 2 is pretty damn good as far as I'm concerned. Road Salt 1 on the other hand...
 
MelbCro said:
Road Salt 2 is pretty damn good as far as I'm concerned. Road Salt 1 on the other hand...
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I agree with this.

Plus I am in total agreement with Jeff Wagner (Author of Mean Deviation) in terms of appreciating progressive bands like Pain of Salvation and would much rather see a band in this genre progress and stumble than a band play it safe. I admit that I have not enjoyed the last three as well as the earlier stuff (and frankly don't begrudge anyone for waining interest), but the reason I was attracted to the band in the first place was that fearless musical direction driven by emotion. I am open to those adventures and enjoy bands that really progress and experiment rather than bands that are content to play in the sandbox Dream Theater built.

Don't get me wrong I have enjoyed a bunch of DT derivative bands over the years, but the ones that really blow sunshine up my skirt are the ones that are a little more bold. So in short, I hope any heir to the DT throne sounds very little like DT.
 
Harvester said:
I can tell you who was...and then blew it.

Pain of Salvation.
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Well, if you call "blew it" in being a band who mostly does the same thing from album to album, sure, they did. And I'm glad.

But really, PoS is one of the truly progressive metal bands, in that they don't lie on past success. They are always defying definition as to what they are and what they do. While what they do isn't always successful, it is always taking risks, and I like to see that in a band. (And just for the record, I like RS1.)

As for the subject of this thread, what exactly are we looking at for a successor to DT. Is it the band that defines a genre? Is it the pure artistic wankery?
 
TheLongshot said:
Well, if you call "blew it" in being a band who mostly does the same thing from album to album, sure, they did. And I'm glad.
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I actually do not mean that. I also do not mean who carries on the DT derivative style as well.

I took the question to mean if DT broke up, which current progressive metal band (for our circles, not the crossovers/modern/etc) would become the biggest in the world & carry on the progressive metal legacy as we define it? To me, that means the band is universally beloved because of their consistent track record of high quality progressive metal releases. It has nothing to do with who is the most "progressive" or "releasing different album" every time for the sake of being progressive.

Pain of Salvation were the undisputed heirs in my mind until Scarsick. Now, one album does not make the shark jump. However, they followed it up with albums that were even more alienating to the not just the casual PoS fans, but the fans that had been with them since the start. Yes, there will always be diehards that will support them and love every release because they connect with the band. However, that is irrelevant to the question being asked.

I would agree with others that Redemption is next in line.
 
kvona1 said:
All great points...Seventh Wonder anyone?
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:wave: Yes, me!

Dream Theater was my favourite band from 1992-2008, but that changed after the release of Seventh Wonder's 'Mercy Falls' (in 2008).
I already knew SW since their masterpiece 'Waiting in the Wings' (2006), but 'MF' made it very clear to me that these guys were the absolute masters in combining melody and musicianship within amazing progressive songs!
'The Great Escape' (2010) indeed confirmed that the throne had been taken by these 5 guys from Stockholm.
 
Pain of Salvation was unique to a similar degree that Dream Theater was, but while PoS disappointed me more than any band in history (it began with Remedy Lane, and then--holy shit--Scarsick), I saw them as something too different to be the heirs to DT's throne. They were like a new evolution of prog rock, who could've changed everything given a few more gems, with significant prog metal elements rather than an undeniably prog metal band who raised the standards for the then-obscure genre. Now, PoS is a dissonance machine minus the djent.

The other difference is PoS is practically a one-man band at this point, and that man has long since exhausted his supply of ingenious creative output and, by most accounts, may well be more difficult to work with and more flawed, in a very unsympathetic way, than Dave Mustaine.
 
For purposes of this discussion, I'm torn between Seventh Wonder and Haken, with Redemption being a super-close third.

If we're talking "in the DT vein," it'd be between SW and Redemption, since Haken is far more experimental than DT (and that's neither a good nor bad thing), and I'd give the nod to SW, even though Redemption is probably more well-known at this point. Seventh Wonder simply can do no wrong, as far as I'm concerned.

I agree that PoS fell out of the running for this category with Scarsick. I actually enjoyed parts of that CD ("Flame to the Moth" and "Kingdom of Loss" in particular), and the Road Salt discs are pretty good for what they are (2 more than 1), but they've strayed too far out of progmetal territory to be considered heir to DT....not that I think Daniel ever wanted that, anyway.
 
Harvester said:
I took the question to mean if DT broke up, which current progressive metal band (for our circles, not the crossovers/modern/etc) would become the biggest in the world & carry on the progressive metal legacy as we define it? To me, that means the band is universally beloved because of their consistent track record of high quality progressive metal releases. It has nothing to do with who is the most "progressive" or "releasing different album" every time for the sake of being progressive.

Pain of Salvation were the undisputed heirs in my mind until Scarsick. Now, one album does not make the shark jump. However, they followed it up with albums that were even more alienating to the not just the casual PoS fans, but the fans that had been with them since the start. Yes, there will always be diehards that will support them and love every release because they connect with the band. However, that is irrelevant to the question being asked.
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Thanks for the clarification from your perspective.

Personally, as much as I love PoS, I don't think they are a band that could get that huge. Even before the worm had turned with some fans, PoS was a very divisive, love it or hate it, band. Personally, I don't think the band who could get that huge is the band that pushes the boundaries the most.

I would agree with others that Redemption is next in line.
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I can understand the arguments for Redemption. Same goes with Seventh Wonder. I could also argue for Symphony X. The only problem is, I don't think any of these bands will get the perfect storm of radio airplay and big label support that DT got. It is why none of the bands that have come after DT have come close to what DT has been able to do, nor if DT went away tomorrow will the void be filled.

Hell, Volbeat is closer to getting up there than any of the bands we've been talking about.
 
As far as who would realistically take over the DT throne, based on their current popularity? Probably Redemption or Symphony X. As far as being the most worthy, strictly speaking in terms of musicality - my personal opinion is that Seventh Wonder is this band. But they are, sadly, terribly underrated as far as how many albums they sell. Everyone needs to tell 30 friends how amazing they are so they can start doing music full time.
 
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