Hey Andy ole buddy ole pal...

Genius Gone Insane

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I got a favor to ask, it's a long shot but I'll ask anyway...I'll try not to teabag you too much here :worship: ...you've already been way cool with us as far as giving us valuable advice on everything from playing to recording to mixing to mastering. That's effing awesome, I'm not gonna hesitate to speak for everyone on this board--save for some arch enemy haters--in saying a big thanks for everything you've done for us. Taking that sort of time for us has been really cool of you.

(balls out of mouth now)...So like we all have heard the magic that you've helped bring out of these musicians you've engineered, mixed, mastered, and produced. One thing that we haven't really had a chance to hear is what the music sounds like before you do your stuff to it. I don't know if it's possible, but it would be hella tight if you were to post some raw samples, so we can do before/after A/B-ing, kinda like those with the fat chicks in the weight loss commercials. The only real example that we have--at least that I can recall--is the Enemies of Reality remix.

I don't know if there are copyright conflicts that you can't get around, but I'd definitely find a lot of use in hearing anything from a clip of an unmastered final mixdown to an uncompressed kick drum, just to hear what you try to get out of the instruments before any of your tricks. Anyway, I figure you've probably considered doing this sort of thing before, but it can't hurt to ask. Tight.
 
+ 1

I've bee meaning to ask the same thing. Even if it was something a simple as a verse worth of drums (without any processing, triggering etc) and then the drums once samples are mixed in and e.q'd and compressed)
 
Hmm.. I dont think an A/B comparsion would even be fair. In most cases Andy is handed a steaming pile of turd, and he reamps, tweaks, and churns out gold.

I dont think it would violate any type of copywrite to post a 30 second clip of unmixed project tracks. I'd LOVE to hear some bone dry/raw nevermore, especially Warrell on vox...

Genius, I admire your question, as does jamesboyd.. I think everyone on this forum would love to hear pre-sneap sound files........

fuck i mean.. think of how SHIT enemies of reality sounded before andy got hold of it... and that stuff was already supposedly "treated" =)
 
EtherForBreakfast said:
I dont think it would violate any type of copywrite to post a 30 second clip of unmixed project tracks.

Posting even a 0.1 second sample of a copywrited work is a violation......

But i think it could fit in the fair use clause since it's for educational purposes :)
 
For the love of all that is holy. I realize there is a lot of "red tape" on this type of thing.

12 bars would satiate me.

Fuck it then....... maybe one day Andy will get fucking GWAR in there and we can hear how shit they sound before AND after.......... and how do you hide money from a hippie.... you put it under the soap.....
 
GGI - For sure........ I dont know what is more frustrating.... this type of question or the fact that when you play ANY Nevemore for "most" people they just go "Oh. I HATE the singer". Makes you want to go WTF are you talking about it.. Its crazy.. like throw on acid words for anyone.. it kills.. and as soon as they hear Warrel they go "oh.. i dont like the singer" ... i just dont get it.

Im not talking about kelly clarkson brain dead loose sluts who will suck my ballz later when I put on something else..... im talking about like... normal retard metal guys who listen to disturbed and shittallica... for some reason they just dont get The Dane..

ah well.. its all futile.. nev owns... loomis is THE guy. and i happen to love warrels voice.
 
EtherForBreakfast said:
GGI - For sure........ I dont know what is more frustrating.... this type of question or the fact that when you play ANY Nevemore for "most" people they just go "Oh. I HATE the singer". Makes you want to go WTF are you talking about it.. Its crazy.. like throw on acid words for anyone.. it kills.. and as soon as they hear Warrel they go "oh.. i dont like the singer" ... i just dont get it.

Im not talking about kelly clarkson brain dead loose sluts who will suck my ballz later when I put on something else..... im talking about like... normal retard metal guys who listen to disturbed and shittallica... for some reason they just dont get The Dane..

ah well.. its all futile.. nev owns... loomis is THE guy. and i happen to love warrels voice.
ive had the same problem. i dont get it.
 
Lets try to understand this as a group........

How can people like James Hetfield who in my opinion is quite terrible... Metallica for that matter has been MORE than terrrible for a long time...

What it is about W.D. that turns people off?? I dont get it......... He's doing a better than Geoff Tate voice.... and the music is owning.

I'm at a loss.. I truly am.
 
Rant.. Listen to Psalm of Lydia.. that is CLASSIC Warrel.

I've been a Nev freak since high school... self titled is still my fave.

HOWEVER, I go back.. way back.. to Sanctuary... Battle Angels.

'SING UNTO ME SINNNNNNNNNERSSSSSSSSSSS>.............. THE MASSESES ARE ON FIREEEEE"

I mean.. come ON now..

Bah.. I'm done ranting.. I must learn to accept.

(as I listen to Jeff kill it)
 
EtherForBreakfast said:
Lets try to understand this as a group........

How can people like James Hetfield who in my opinion is quite terrible... Metallica for that matter has been MORE than terrrible for a long time...

What it is about W.D. that turns people off?? I dont get it......... He's doing a better than Geoff Tate voice.... and the music is owning.

I'm at a loss.. I truly am.

To be honest, I didn't like Warrel's voice at first, when my buddy got me Politics of Ecstasy. I loved the other music, but his vocals for some reason reminded me of Queensryche. After about a month he won me over (big time) and since DNB they've been one of my favorite bands. I've had this discussion before; WD is an acquired taste...
 
Crap.. I'm going to SO spam this thread.. SEE.. there is that Queensryche thing again. I sat and drank pitchers with Jim for a good 45 minutes ( I bought them all ) at the Mason Jar here in Arizona.

Politics is my least fave nev........ DNB is their opus.. i LOVE DNB but i LOVE dead heart even more.. i hated eor until i heard the sneaped eor....

I just dont get why all of a sudden, right off the bat, someone can go "oooh.. i hate those vocals".. its not like a Kirk Hammet guitar solo which does warrant such animosity.
 
EtherForBreakfast said:
Crap.. I'm going to SO spam this thread.. SEE.. there is that Queensryche thing again. I sat and drank pitchers with Jim for a good 45 minutes ( I bought them all ) at the Mason Jar here in Arizona.

Politics is my least fave nev........ DNB is their opus.. i LOVE DNB but i LOVE dead heart even more.. i hated eor until i heard the sneaped eor....

I just dont get why all of a sudden, right off the bat, someone can go "oooh.. i hate those vocals".. its not like a Kirk Hammet guitar solo which does warrant such animosity.
you live in az. cool man. i used to run sound at the jar. i ran sound for nevermore there once as well. back in lets see either 99 or 2000 or shit i dunno its been a while.
 
Yah.. I'm in North Scottsdale near the semi-new Fender headquarters at Pima and Chaparal doing R&D.

Listen to this example of a death vocal, because this as as close to satan as you will come. I cannot see why this guy sold 15 million albums, or why this was a number 1 single...

Satan has Balls in his Mouth dot MP3:

http://www.jcm900.com/mp3/ballzinmouth.mp3

2 slappers beat as one steamer........

nyanhh naynhhh nyannnnhhhhhhhhh
 
You must admit that Warrel's vocal lines and harmonizations are somewhat uncommon. His style is very unique and quite haunting. But still, i managed to get my girlfriend to apreciate him, and she HATES metal (yeah, I know...). All I did was play Believe in Nothing and then Heart Collector and she ended up saying that the songs were pretty and the singer had a sexy voice. Don't know what step three in the nevermorization would be though...

Nevermore is, by all means, my favourite band right now. Warrel is very high up in my singer ranking. And very underated. I can't believe how they are put behind suck ass bands in gigantour. They kick soooo much ass.
 
This discussion has gone far OT. I think someone should make a Warrell Dane topic and transfer the discussion there.

I would also like to add thar Dane is among my favourite metal singers. He has a very unique voice and unique style of singing. However I have noticed that he isn't very good live. What's the catch? Booze? Something else?