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Spruce Goose

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Am thinking about buying a mixer for home recording. Have looked online for some products. I dont wanna spend more than a grand (I dont erally wanna spend anything) but the best option so far seems to be the ZOOM MRS802CD

http://www.venuemusic.com.au/Products.asp?ProdID=2323

For $1288, do you reckon that is good? I virtually have no idea about this kind of thing. I just want something I can plug my keyboard/guitar/mic into and record songs.... Something that can mix the songs together, and something that can burn high quality audio cd's of the songs.

For $1288, what is the advantage of that lil gizmo compared to buying a new computer and getting ProTools?
 
Getting Pro-Tools on your computer? I'd have a read of this post that was on the Cakewalk SONAR forum a while back:

http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m=27897

Would you GIVE BACK your Pro Tools system?

I did.

My wife and son have heard me talk about the industry standard PT setup, and we have all heard the demo played at GC through the HD24 rig with the HD192 gear through top of the line KRKs or Genelecs, on a $3000.00 MAC G5 DAW.

Well this Christmas, my loving wife and son got me the PT Digi-002 Rack as a gift. I tried to act surprised and joyfully grateful.

The sales rep at GC PROMISED my wife that her husband (me) could install the software and compare it to what ever he was using and if he wasn't stunned by the improvement, he could just return it.

Return installed and registered software to GC? I don't think so! I call GC and asked to speak to John, the manager. He knows me, and I described the situation and he agreed that he wouldn't be able to resell it if I installed it, and so wouldn't be able to accept it as a return if installed. (I thought so).

Well, I knew I'd have to let my wife down easy, so I prepared a comparison for her between my Sonar rig and the entry level Pro Tools system she purchased.

PTLE: Digi-design interfaces/hardware only
S3: Any windows compatible interfaces/hardware
PTLE: 8 track simultaneous recording / no expanssion unit available
S3: I'm using the MOTU 24i/o - 24 in / 24 out with expansion units possible
PTLE: Software limitation of only 32 tracks per project
S3: UNLIMITED virtual tracks - (what ever your DAW can handle)
PTLE: Limited MIDI sequencer support
S3: One of the best MIDI sequencers on the market
PTLE: Prohibitively expensive plugins that must be designed to work with PT
S3: MUCH less expensive versions of the SAME software (which I already own) plus any DXI or VST plugins from ANY windows plugin manufacturer
PTLE: Manual delay compensation must be carefully calculated from a chart for the accumulated effects of all the plugins in the mix and entered into the PT delay compensation plugin and changed when effects are added or removed
S3: Plugin Delay Compensation (PDC) is automatic and you NEVER have to think about it

I could go on and on, but I carefully and tactfully told my loving wife and son that in order for a Pro Tools set up to compare with what I already have, it would cost $30,000.00.

I returned PTLE yesterday to GC and the guy at the front desk said, "What are you doing man? This is the SH*t man!".

I explained the above to him and told him I'm getting killer sound using Sonar3, with 24 simultaneous analog inputs, at 24/96khz, using an ASIO driver, with a monitoring latency of 2.7ms, with automatic delay compensation, and 16 tracks of Mackie Control automatted faders on the desk, using a high-end DAW costing only $1400.00!

"REALLY?!!". was his reply.

Same discussion with the sales rep in the pro audio dept.

His response... "REALLY?!!!!".

Same discussion with dept manager who needed to sign off on the return.

His response... "REALLY?!!!!!!!!!"

Yes... "REALLY!!!!!!!!".

If I've got Christmas money to spend on the studio, I'd rather spend it on mics, or maybe put it towards the purchase of some Apogee Rosetta 800s, but Pro Tools LE does not come close to replacing what I have in my studio using Sonar3!
Still want PT? ;)

For sheer versatility and portability, those Zoom studios are awesome! Have a word to Shane at bMusic (www.bmusic.com.au) and tell him the Dungeon guys sent you - he'll do you an awesome deal on Zoom gear!

http://www.bmusic.com.au/search.htm?zoom
 
Cool. Thanks Timbo.

I had a look at that website. The price they have listed is 1500. It is at Venue music for 1288

Are you familar with this particular model, or similar models? Is it easy to use/function?

Do I just plug the keyboard into the mixer, press record and start playing? It does sound awesome. I can't wait to be recording/mixing and burninating cd's.

How do those gizmos handle vocals? You just plug a mic in and start singing? I wonder how it cuts out the sound of the fridge and the cat licking its balls in the background
 
Not with that particular model, but basically yeah - you plug in a mic or keyboard or guitar and go... Built-in drum machine, effects (including guitar effects like amp / speaker simulation), mic preamps, etc. Licked cat balls are an unavoidable fact of life, I'm afraid! Any studio will tell you that! :p

They're a little fiddly to get used to if you're used to a nice 1280x1024 sized screen and a mouse and keyboard but if you can read a manual you should be up and running in no time!

The only thing they really have over a computer running SONAR or Nuendo or whatever is that they're very portable and the sound card with mic preamps are included. You can record great on any old computer made in the last 2 or 3 years (mine is an old 1.1 gig celeron, worth about $600 now tops and I'm doing fine on it), but you still need a sound card and if you're using a decent condenser mic, you need one with +48v phantom power, etc. etc. etc. This Zoom has all of that built in, so that's a money saver right there.

Depends on how you look at it though. If you already have a decent computer, you can grab nTrack Studio for $50, a good sound card with mic preamps for $500 and get a shitload of free or shareward DirectX or VST effects from the web and you'd still be ahead of where you'd be if you got the Zoom. I'd personally choose a computer based recorder over a stand-alone multitracker any day.

But as I said, the Zoom is portable, robust, easy to use and self-contained, so that may be what you're after...

I'd still drop Shane at bMusic a line anyway and see what kind of deal he can work out for you - he may be able to top it. (He's KellyStar on the Dungeon forum, BTW.)
 
Lord Tim said:
I'd still drop Shane at bMusic a line anyway and see what kind of deal he can work out for you - he may be able to top it. (He's KellyStar on the Dungeon forum, BTW.)
Yeah - I am sure Shane can do better. Definitely a good idea -Tim's the guru.
 
Well, I thought I might as well ask a few q's as well.

I'm gonna start my own solo project, as it looks like Sandgeese is fairly well dead. But I don't wanna record my stuff the same way I have already, does anyone know of a program that I can *acquire* (no money here) that will let me record in different tracks, instead of recording a part and just mixing it into the main mix? Because the way I've been doing it sounds very smushy and muddy, and I'd like to try and make iti sound better.

http://www.soundclick.com/sandgeese/

download Buttercoat Hanger for an idea of the sound I'm getting at the mo (if you can be bothered)

User: elysianblaze@hotmail.com
Pass: ceydnisthebest
 
hahaha, I was about to correct your spelling before the NERD part of my brain said: "IT'S THE JOKE DUDE"

;D
 
I'm sure Tim doesn't know what you're talking about. He would never condone anything illegal like that. I'm also sure that just like me, he doesn't even know what you're referring to.
 
and for future reference, the thing that no one here has the slightest clue about...

WORKED!

HURRAH!