When I reamp there is latency.
I just slide them over where they should be is this the common method?
I just slide them over where they should be is this the common method?
How do you guys deal with latency when reamping?
- Thread starter Loren Littlejohn
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I did a loopback test (DAW > Reamp > DAW), measured the latency in samples and use this as the 'Nudge' value in PT.
LSD-Studio
HCAF crusher
cubase takes care of latenty issues....if it is set up correctly you don't have to think about stuff like that.
C_F_H_13
Protools Guru
My trick in PT, and I'm sure you could do this in other daws as well, is to draw in a pop before the track actually comes in.
I take a DI guitar track, and consolidate so there's about a bar of complete silence before it. Then I zoom all the way in right on a downbeat of a bar, get out the pencil tool, and just click right at the very bottom of the region. It makes a perfect upside triangle looking edit. When you play it through an amp, it'll make a fairly sharp spike which is easy to line back up to the downbeat. This is also a great way to time align mics.
I take a DI guitar track, and consolidate so there's about a bar of complete silence before it. Then I zoom all the way in right on a downbeat of a bar, get out the pencil tool, and just click right at the very bottom of the region. It makes a perfect upside triangle looking edit. When you play it through an amp, it'll make a fairly sharp spike which is easy to line back up to the downbeat. This is also a great way to time align mics.
I put the H/W buffer size to 64 on pro tools and there is NO latency.
Or maybe tiny tiny one and that's why when i mix my sm 57 tracks and re-amped 421 tracks they are out of phase ?
I just realized something while i was writting.
Or maybe tiny tiny one and that's why when i mix my sm 57 tracks and re-amped 421 tracks they are out of phase ?
I just realized something while i was writting.
I´m using Cubase SX which works with latency-compensation. So there´s no latency when I´m re-amping. But I don´t know if SL3 has this latency-compensation, too.
Doesn't Cubase have a ping/loopback test feature? I think I remember reading that it does...
Regardless of your interface, DAW, and buffer settings, there WILL be latency incurred by the DA/AD conversion. No exceptions. There will. Whether or not the DAW compensates for this is another question.
Guitar Godgt has said that he is seeing latency on the reamped track, so there is. Like I said, I think Cubase has a ping/loopback setup that can take care of this for you, but it must not be set up correctly on Guitar Godgt's system.
PT LE does not compensate for this, but you can measure it by performing a loopback test. On my system (002R), the DA/AD conversion incurs 5 samples of latency, everytime. That may not sound like a lot, but the difference in timing is clearly audible after Nudging.
CFH13's method also works well for phase alignment of multiple mics. I've found that using the Nudge function is just faster and more accurate across all tracks. After reamping all the tracks, I just select them all and hit the '<' key and they're all aligned.
Regardless of your interface, DAW, and buffer settings, there WILL be latency incurred by the DA/AD conversion. No exceptions. There will. Whether or not the DAW compensates for this is another question.
Guitar Godgt has said that he is seeing latency on the reamped track, so there is. Like I said, I think Cubase has a ping/loopback setup that can take care of this for you, but it must not be set up correctly on Guitar Godgt's system.
PT LE does not compensate for this, but you can measure it by performing a loopback test. On my system (002R), the DA/AD conversion incurs 5 samples of latency, everytime. That may not sound like a lot, but the difference in timing is clearly audible after Nudging.
CFH13's method also works well for phase alignment of multiple mics. I've found that using the Nudge function is just faster and more accurate across all tracks. After reamping all the tracks, I just select them all and hit the '<' key and they're all aligned.
C_F_H_13
Protools Guru
Agreed. My HD rig though for some reason, varies slightly depending on how much I have going on in the session (tracks,plugs, delay comp etc. etc.) so I find this way I can visually see exactly the delay. Mine varies from 5-11 samples.
Your are right though in that using the nudge command across all tracks is very easy and quicker if the delay is constant.
That's odd. That would really bug me...
If you reamp with Delay Comp off, does the value remain constant?
Are you recording @ 24/44, or do you use a higher sample rate? On my system, the latency does change slightly when using different sample rates, but they still remain constant within the session.
Do you keep the buffer on one setting?
I'm always at 512 w/ Low-Latency Monitoring enabled during tracking, and the latency when reamping has been consistent for me.
C_F_H_13
Protools Guru
yeah I should of been more specific. I meant session to session, not within one.
Delay comp off, 24/88.2 or 24/44.1 and 512 playback engine.
SL3 does not have latency comensation that I know of.
It does when recordning direct but for some reason when reamping there is always considerable latency and I have to slide the tracks back into place.
It does when recordning direct but for some reason when reamping there is always considerable latency and I have to slide the tracks back into place.
broken81
Used by Protools
How exactly is this done in detail in protools?
I tried the drawing the little spike but had a hard time lining it up still cause the spike changed on the reamp track. Id like to just know how many samples of latency I'm dealing with and slide the track.
Or any other tricks that someone might know for protools......
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
Try to add this in front of the guitar track for alignment use:
http://www.ahjteam.com/upload/500hz_sine_for_alignment.wav
Its nothing special really. Just one full loop of 500hz sine at -6dbFS + few seconds of silence
edit: heres HOW TO instructions
hi!a question:is that a default setting in cubase or do you have to do the settings on your own?
thanks,bye,pat
You have to set that up on your own man. There is no way for Steinberg to have one setting for every person that will be using the software. Everyone is using a different computer, so some will need more delay compensation and some will need less.
~006
~006
I fixed mine with a loopback test that way:
-Set up a cable from an output back into an input of the soundcard (watch out for feedback, make sure the monitoring is off on that input)
-Took a snare hit, assign the output of that Cubase track to the output of your soundcard
-Set another track assigned with the input of the loop. Armed to record
-Hit record
-Now you should have a copy of the snare hit on that new track
-Switch the time ruler to "samples"
-Calculate the number of samples between original snare and recorded snare on the ruler.
-Go to VST multitrack / expert in peripherials menu and insert that number of samples into the record placement offset box
Do the test again and finetune if necessary.
Frank
-Set up a cable from an output back into an input of the soundcard (watch out for feedback, make sure the monitoring is off on that input)
-Took a snare hit, assign the output of that Cubase track to the output of your soundcard
-Set another track assigned with the input of the loop. Armed to record
-Hit record
-Now you should have a copy of the snare hit on that new track
-Switch the time ruler to "samples"
-Calculate the number of samples between original snare and recorded snare on the ruler.
-Go to VST multitrack / expert in peripherials menu and insert that number of samples into the record placement offset box
Do the test again and finetune if necessary.
Frank
