How to have peace

[Norsemaiden]

You are right Neith, there is no way everyone will tolerate everyone else or all agree to any rules on how society should be based. You can't force a square peg into a round hole, as the saying goes. The only possible solution is that the square pegs live in squarehole land and the round ones live in roundhole land. That's the closest to peace anyone can hope for. (Gross oversimplification i know).

 

[LORD_RED_DRAGON]

You are right Neith, there is no way everyone will tolerate everyone else or all agree to any rules on how society should be based. You can't force a square peg into a round hole, as the saying goes. The only possible solution is that the square pegs live in squarehole land and the round ones live in roundhole land. That's the closest to peace anyone can hope for. (Gross oversimplification i know).

I think the gross over simplification was needed here

 

[Neith]

You are right Neith, there is no way everyone will tolerate everyone else or all agree to any rules on how society should be based. You can't force a square peg into a round hole, as the saying goes. The only possible solution is that the square pegs live in squarehole land and the round ones live in roundhole land. That's the closest to peace anyone can hope for. (Gross oversimplification i know).

Yes, although I do think that people should be able to move freely from their own land to others if they are tolerant of other beliefs and cultures, as long as they know that they may not necessarily be greeted with warmth and friendliness. (I'm shocked, we actually agree on something for a change )

 

[LORD_RED_DRAGON]

Yes, although I do think that people should be able to move freely from their own land to others if they are tolerant of other beliefs and cultures, as long as they know that they may not necessarily be greeted with warmth and friendliness. (I'm shocked, we actually agree on something for a change )

i find myself agreeing with just about everything Norsemaiden says

 

[Norsemaiden]

i find myself agreeing with just about everything Norsemaiden says

That really proves you are an intelligent open-minded guy LRD Btw Neith, when I read your posts (as with everyone else's) I don't want to find fault, but really want to agree with you. However some people here read posts with an intention to make an argument out of what is said, even when they do actually agree with most of it. Whatever.

 

[Demiurge]

7. Stop the war on drugs. Some people are gonna take 'em, and some are gonna drink to excess. Just keep them away from the kids and when they're observed screwing up on the job, fire them. We cannot afford the violence and police militarization of the war on drugs.

I basically agree, however, I would continue to halt the manufacturing, trafficking, and consumption of the most dangerous substances; for example, heroin and crystal meth. These will tend to elevate the crime rate. I would also ban cigarettes, which are far too addictive to be permitted, considering their detrimental effects. Legalize mdma, marijuana, lsd, etc.

 

[Hubster]

Yes, although I do think that people should be able to move freely from their own land to others if they are tolerant of other beliefs and cultures, as long as they know that they may not necessarily be greeted with warmth and friendliness. (I'm shocked, we actually agree on something for a change )

Isn't this the case already though, Neith?

Right now, we seem to accept cultural differences in our own lands, but is this the same as tolerance or harmony? No, I think not. I think part of the reason that all of the Christian vs Muslim drama has resurfaced so much in the last decade is that the water has overflowed, and that, as you said in the above quote, people are not being "greeted with warmth and friendliness".

Not only with the US's problems, but it's also surfaced here in the form of the Cronulla Riots, as well as incidents with Indonesia and Australia (the Corby case, Bali Nine, Michelle Leslie among other things).

In my opinion (I say this quite sadly given my strong support of multiculturalism), a divide has bcome very apparent, and unfortunately for people like me, it seems to be widening.

I basically agree, however, I would continue to halt the manufacturing, trafficking, and consumption of the most dangerous substances; for example, heroin and crystal meth. These will tend to elevate the crime rate. I would also ban cigarettes, which are far too addictive to be permitted, considering their detrimental effects. Legalize mdma, marijuana, lsd, etc.

Agreed, it would be wonderful if the above happens, but to do so during our development as a highly chemically dependent society would cause war and chaos itself.

A "black-black" market for banned substances would come into existence. The war on drugs for example, would then become "the war on banning manufacture of substances which are already banned", and this would basically take us back to square one ie where we are now.

All dangerously addictive substances should indeed be banned, but I do think that in a somewhat far fetched way, the damage on the worlds economy would be so great by such a move that currency and commmerce would need reinvention in order to cope.

Thus - Is righteousness and purity of life, or peace in its many forms then totally futile? Are we lighting our own funeral pyres by wishing for a non-chemically corrupt, non violent world?

 

[Neith]

Isn't this the case already though, Neith?

Right now, we seem to accept cultural differences in our own lands, but is this the same as tolerance or harmony? No, I think not. I think part of the reason that all of the Christian vs Muslim drama has resurfaced so much in the last decade is that the water has overflowed, and that, as you said in the above quote, people are not being "greeted with warmth and friendliness".

Not only with the US's problems, but it's also surfaced here in the form of the Cronulla Riots, as well as incidents with Indonesia and Australia (the Corby case, Bali Nine, Michelle Leslie among other things).

In my opinion (I say this quite sadly given my strong support of multiculturalism), a divide has bcome very apparent, and unfortunately for people like me, it seems to be widening

Sorry, I agree with you! What I meant was that whilst Norsemaiden said squarepegs should stay in sqaurehole land and so on. Applying this to different cultures, I just wanted to point out that I feel people should be allowed to mix freely, whereas in another thread Norsemaiden seemed to feel that people should stick to their own geograpcical area.

I agree with what you say about drugs also. Sometimes I wonder whether the world will actually get much better? Sounds overly dramatic I know, but I'm sure many of you have felt the same way too!

Norsemaiden, I realise what you're saying, and similarly I don't aim to find fault with your posts or anyone elses, but often I just don't agree! This would probably be a first

Also, Infoterror, replies to posts from other users on threads you create would be appreciated, as it feels like you simply can't find an appropriate reply, in which case say so!

 

[infoterror]

A "black-black" market for banned substances would come into existence. The war on drugs for example, would then become "the war on banning manufacture of substances which are already banned", and this would basically take us back to square one ie where we are now.

This is why I'm entirely against the war on drugs. Not that I want people taking heroin, PCP, meth, etc, but that the technique of "banning" things does not work. Better to let the few who are going to take such drugs self-destruct than to cripple us all with internal conflict.

 

[Hubster]

This is why I'm entirely against the war on drugs. Not that I want people taking heroin, PCP, meth, etc, but that the technique of "banning" things does not work. Better to let the few who are going to take such drugs self-destruct than to cripple us all with internal conflict.

Agreed. But then we are posed with the dilemna of the "newcomers" who have only just started to rot. What are we to do with them?

 

[Lord SteveO]

I agree with most of those point in the original post.

But like others say, it ain't ever gonna happen. Humans are by nature affraid of what they don't understand. And from this ignorance we get all the stupid actions we see worldwide today. To hope for everyone to just get on fine and accept each other is a nice idea, but it's never going to happen. There are those out there who simply lack the ability to "accept" things happening which they do not support 100%.
I'm all for letting people do their thing, enjoying their life and escaping for the grip of the all powerful $ or £. But i think simply letting people do anything they want leads to trouble.
There are most definatle those in the world who don't give a damm about other people. All they want is money, land, control (this is probably the same people who will never accept everyone elses ideas), and i think peopel like that will always exist and ruin the well meaning ideas of the rest of us.

 

[LORD_RED_DRAGON]

That really proves you are an intelligent open-minded guy LRD

i for one, actually read and actually understand all of what Norsemaiden posts as opposed to people that agree with their favorite person's opinion even though it's obvious that they don't know what the fuck they're agreeing with

 

[Neith]

i for one, actually read and actually understand all of what Norsemaiden posts as opposed to people that agree with their favorite person's opinion even though it's obvious that they don't know what the fuck they're agreeing with

It's good that you're both so liked minded, yet I find your above statement quite funny in that you seem to be the one who agrees with your favourite person on a more frequent basis than anyone else.

I do think that a lot of people read and understand what most people write, however, (with regard to Norsemaiden and a lot of what you seem to think, to name the first names that came to mind) some of the things posted seem a little far-fetched, or simply do not coincide with our beliefs or opinions. I for one do not believe that the Jews are trying to take over the world, or that they have too much power (to be honest I'm not too educated on this, I admit), yet I try to view all of Norsemaiden's posts in an unbiased way, which can be difficult when you read something that really, really winds you up.

But I guess this isn't really the right thread for this, so sorry for hijacking it people.

 

[Horus]

HAHAHA!!!! Jews trying to take over the world. Jews aren't trying to take over the world. Scientologists are.

 

[metal_monkey]

 

[Thoth-Amon]

 

[NeverIsForever]

4. Support diversity. To have diversity, you need to have distinct ethnic groups. If you try to combine these groups, they'll fight for their own right to exist as a group and cause the ethnic warfare common to multicultural society. Let the ethnic groups separate and stop viewing such separation as a taboo "racism."

5. Don't try to hide different abilities. Billy is a genius, but Mary is a world-class athlete. We get embarrassed for both of these kids because they can't do something the other can. Let's end that charade. We're all different and we each have a place in the world. We don't need to be "equal" to be OK, and trying to force "equality" causes mayhem.

6. Allow people to live according to chosen values, even if they seem grotesque to us. In the west, our newspapers tell us that Muslims are primitive, women-abusing, tribal societies. But there is no science or philosophy that tells us reliability that such lifestyles are "bad." Tolerate difference.
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Translation: More racial separatist propaganda from infoterror :Smug:

 

[infoterror]

I try to view all of Norsemaiden's posts in an unbiased way, which can be difficult when you read something that really, really winds you up.

It seems to me that with most logical questions, rationality is superior to emotions. We all face the difficulties of this path, in different ways (for example, my violent and unstable reaction to Nightwish -- just kidding).

:Smokin:

 

[infoterror]

Translation: More racial separatist propaganda from infoterror :Smug:

#5 is not about race at all

 

[infoterror]

Jews aren't trying to take over the world. Scientologists are.

Talk about another scary cult... I find that few people have sane interpretations of religion, no matter how cool the original religion was.