How would YOU mic this kit?

Executioner213 said:
I already know what you are getting at:

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This guys kit, which I'm sure you can see his 2nd floor tom in the back beyond his ride in this pic....for all the tracks we did, he didn't hit that drum once. Wish I would have knew that ahead of time, I could have used that track for a center OH.
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Don't you fucking hate it when they pull that shit?8
WHY THE FUCK DID YOU BRING IT?


I'd make him go run 25 laps for that infraction. Looks like he needs to anyway.
 
drew_drummer said:
It saddens me to think that people would prefer to trigger samples than capture the audio of the real-drummer at work. It's just my opinion, but I'd rather hear a band than the production - production should be transparent, or used creatively.... not as a way to mask shitty musicians.
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I understand & respect your opinion, as I shared the same philosophy a few years ago.

...and in a perfect world, replacement wouldn't happen. Unfortunately, most of us are working with shitty musicians, and our job is to make them sound the best they possibly can, otherwise next time, they just might go to the studio down the road who will.


The way how I see it is simple: If Nordstrom is using 90% samples on a Dimmu record because Hellhammer hits so light, why the resistance? If they're using samples at that level of prodution replacing a few things here & there on my own projects can't be all that bad.

Being a purist is fine until it starts costing you projects.


I've also had clients say "no samples on the drums" and then hand me discs for reference with all sorts of replacement going on and say "get us this sound." grrrrr.
 
Mind you, I came to them...thats thier rehearsal space. Otherwise, I wouldn't have stuck it right in a corner as close as that kit was.

drew_drummer said:
It saddens me to think that people would prefer to trigger samples than capture the audio of the real-drummer at work. It's just my opinion, but I'd rather hear a band than the production - production should be transparent, or used creatively.... not as a way to mask shitty musicians.
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It saddens me to think that everyone should be an absolute master at doing that and making it sound good, but unfortunately...it's not always do-able. I'm not there yet. Getting work = experience gained. Besides, nobody really said he was a shitty drummer...but you, apparently. Welcome to the world of people who aren't perfect, would you like fries with that? :)
 
Executioner213 said:
Mind you, I came to them...thats thier rehearsal space. Otherwise, I wouldn't have stuck it right in a corner as close as that kit was.



It saddens me to think that everyone should be an absolute master at doing that and making it sound good, but unfortunately...it's not always do-able. I'm not there yet. Getting work = experience gained. Besides, nobody really said he was a shitty drummer...but you, apparently. Welcome to the world of people who aren't perfect, would you like fries with that? :)
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I never said that your drummer was a shitty drummer.... I was just talking generally about shitty musicians. They should get better, the production shouldn't cater to their lack of talent - that's what got Britney her career.

People should strive to become better musicians, otherwise why bother?? Isn't music about personal growth, or am I just a romanticist?

Yes, I'd like fries, but mind the salt.
 
drew_drummer said:
I never said that your drummer was a shitty drummer.... I was just talking generally about shitty musicians. They should get better, the production shouldn't cater to their lack of talent - that's what got Britney her career.

People should strive to become better musicians, otherwise why bother?? Isn't music about personal growth, or am I just a romanticist?

Yes, I'd like fries, but mind the salt.
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I was suggesting the same thing in another thread yesterday......seems that some just don't care.
 
Well I think the fundamental flaw with you guys' thinking is that as their producer/engineer, they're paying you money and it's your job to make them sound good, not give them a motivational speech about personal growth. Honestly, if I had to record horrible bands for a living like some of you guys do, I'd be so imbittered at those little talentless fucks that I wouldn't care at all if they sucked cuz I'd be totally emotionally detached (I wouldn't be a dick or else I wouldn't get clients, but it'd be all business), and have it fuel my musical elitism.
 
Metaltastic said:
Well I think the fundamental flaw with you guys' thinking is that as their producer/engineer, they're paying you money and it's your job to make them sound good, not give them a motivational speech about personal growth. Honestly, if I had to record horrible bands for a living like some of you guys do, I'd be so imbittered at those little talentless fucks that I wouldn't care at all if they sucked cuz I'd be totally emotionally detached (I wouldn't be a dick or else I wouldn't get clients, but it'd be all business), and have it fuel my musical elitism.
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in a way......really they pay you as an engineer to capture their performance. it's a producers job to get them to play at their best. but you're right, for me if you want me to make you sound better, then you gotta pay me more.
 
Well I'd mic that like this

2 Kicks
3 toms
2 Floor toms
2 on snare- over and under
3 overheads, right, middle, left

Then I'd probably have a room mic, and trigger the kicks and snare. If the toms need replacing I'd use aptrigga.

This way you have you miced sound on everything that you can work from and also the option of replacement. The 3 overheads work well. I tracked a drummer with alot of cymbals and miced the ride, hats and spot miced aa batch of cymbals and ended up just going with the overheads cause they picked up the cymbals so well.
 
drew_drummer said:
Well then perhaps improve your production skills?
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Don't be an ass. There is no need to get personal and/or petty.

And this whole discussion seems ridicoulus. The top metal drummers in the world use a whole ton of sample replacing, and it obviously has nothing to do with their musical abilities. Tracking drums via triggers and sample replacing has to do with SOUND not with PLAYING. And yes, it can be used to cover up sloppy playing. And those people that use it that way should learn to play for real instead.

But there is a whole fuckton of difference between what "should" happen, and the real world. You'd have to be very naive to think otherwise. If a band pays you money to make them sound a certain way, even if they can't pull it off, that's their problem. Bands that can't play don't get anywhere, no matter how their albums sound. And it is your job as a producer/engineer to do whatever they ask you to becuse they are the ones who are paying.

If you don't want to do it, then don't. But don't give anyone shit just becuse they do. Do it your way, and let everyone else just do it their way.
 
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