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lurch70

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is it just me or does it seem like the rescue efforts are minimal in the hard hit areas. from what I see on TV is like one or tho helicopters flying around looking for people ... did not really see any boats cruising the stricken areas.

feels like some third world rescue operation down there.
New Orleans is in shambles. Wonder how they will rebuild ... and it seems there is great reporting but not many people doing shit down there to help.

The fucking Superdome had to be evacuated with some thousands of people ... can't boats take care of this shit?

Is really everyone capable of these rescue missions really in Iraq?

WTF?
 
alot of New Orleans (and the deep south, for that matter) are like the Third World...

I remember a trip my dad took us on through the south to visit civil war battle fields...to keep from dying of boredom during the long drives, my brother and I kept score of who had the most outhouses on our respective sides of the road.

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From the NY Times


The Pentagon late Tuesday ordered five Navy ships and eight maritime rescue teams to the Gulf Coast to bolster relief operations as worsening conditions overwhelmed the initial response.

One Navy amphibious assault ship, the Bataan, with six Sea Stallion and Sea Hawk helicopters that could be used for search and rescue missions, was en route from Texas. Four other vessels from Norfolk were expected to sail within 24 hours and take four days to reach the gulf, said Mike Kucharek, a spokesman for the Northern Command.
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"The biggest challenge is getting enough resources - especially helicopters and small boats - to the area for the rescue work we have to do," said Lt. Gene Maestas, a Coast Guard spokesman in Washington. He said the Coast Guard had scores of small craft with outboard motors, but they were reaching the region at a frustratingly slow pace.
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Pentagon officials asserted that deployment of thousands of National Guard members from the gulf states to Iraq and Afghanistan had not affected relief efforts. But on Tuesday the two hardest-hit states, Louisiana and Mississippi, which each have more than 3,000 National Guard troops in Iraq, requested military specialists and equipment from other states, ranging from military police and engineers to helicopters and five-ton, high-wheeled trucks that can traverse the flood waters.

President Bush announced Tuesday that he would cut short his extended summer vacation and fly to Washington to begin work on Wednesday with a task force that will coordinate the work of 14 federal agencies involved in the relief effort.

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With National Guard troops being stretched to the limit in Iraq and Afghanistan, shortages in the US <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/30/AR2005083002162.html>for domestic disastors such as Katrina come as no surprise.


Mississippi has about 40 percent of its Guard force deployed or preparing to deploy and has called up all remaining Guard units for hurricane relief, [Lt. Andy] Thaggard said.

Mississippi has requested troops and aircraft from about eight other states -- including military police and engineers from Alabama, helicopters and crews from Arkansas and Georgia, and aircraft-maintenance experts from Connecticut, who are filling in for a Mississippi maintenance unit that is heading to the Middle East.

In Alabama, all the major Guard units activated for the disaster have already served in Iraq, and some still have contingents there, said Alabama Guard spokesman Norman Arnold.

Recruiting and retention problems are worsening the strain on Guard forces in hurricane-ravaged states. Alabama's Army National Guard has a strength of 11,000 troops -- or 78 percent of the authorized number. "We're just losing too many out the back door," Arnold said.

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Bush took New Orleans disaster funds and used them for the Iraq war and for his tax cuts
by John in DC - 8/30/2005 09:57:00 PM


An amazing late-breaking article from Editor & Publisher <http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313>. Bottom line: Experts knew this was coming, and all the preparations ground to a halt because Bush stole New Orleans' disaster preparation money so he could use it for his Iraq debacle:

New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

...after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

Newhouse News Service, in an article posted late Tuesday night at The Times-Picayune web site, reported: "No one can say they didn't see it coming....Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: “It appears that the money has been moved in the president’s budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that’s the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can’t be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us.”

Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:

"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don’t get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can’t stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn’t that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can’t raise them."...

About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount. But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said.”

The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late.
 
well I have been to New Orleans and I can tell you that the city was waiting for something like this to happen for a long time.

not sure you guys know or not, but the whole city is below sea level to begin with. the cemeteries are all monuments, as you cannot even dig six feet under for burials.

now with these leevea breaking and water pouring in from the Lake, things are looking like NO will never be the same ... water is actually still rising instead of receeding.

to put things in perspective ... when the tsunami hit earlier this yeat in Sri Lanka ... well, once the waves hit and did the damage, it quickly receeded back in the ocean ... and we saw the devastation there ... I cannot begin to imagine what they will find here once things are somewhat back to normal.
 
There's no question that deployments in Iraq are putting a strain on the relief effort, the carnage in the Gulf coast is getting more devastating with every dramatic report, and those stories about coffins pouring out of mausoleums are true...send the Louisiana & Mississippi guardsmen back home immediately, they're needed here much more.
 
and meanwhile...the Katrina storm remnants stopped raining (finally) about an hour ago...the devastation it has wreaked may keep me from going out to lunch!!
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i still dont understand why other americans have to pay taxes to support a city that is under sea level. yeah, louisiana is a huge port for the US, but come on. it's just extremely bad planning.

on the third world south: yep. when i drive from nashville to the florida panhandle, it's like going back in time. ive driven back and forth maybe five times and my wife and i still cannot figure out what sustains the economy in backwoods alabama. you should see some of the small towns down there. im sure miss, louisiana, s. carolina, et al are pretty much the same.
 
and all those houses built of shit wood ... same thing in Florida ... you would think to build some stronger foundations especially in these hurricane prone regions
 
that would make too much sense apparently. heres what i dont get: WHY LIVE ON THE GULF COAST? it irritates me so much when people live in the path of a hurricane and then are completely taken aback when their house is destroyed. well? what the fuck did you expect? then, of course, they demand billions in federal relief funds paid for by people who have never even been to the Gulf.....because theyre too busy FARMING.
 
the flood waters are STILL rising.

you can contribute relief funds to http://www.rescueapooroppressednegro.com

obviously I'm joking, it's how I deal with morbid subjects. I was reading that the flood waters are completely contaminated with literal shit, and toxic chemicals. Many of the buildings will have to be torn down because of the toxicity, and if the waters don't recede soon, we're talking potential death much higher than from the initial storm, just from disease.
 
lizard said:
bwahahahahahahahahaha! i had to read that twice to realize what it said. i thought you posted a legit website.

toxicity: yeah, any time a flood occurs, shit leaches out of the sewer system and contaminates everything. i cant imagine the stuff that would be in a city like New Orleans.
 
Naturally, New Orleans is supposed to be under water. It was only a matter of time. I wouldn't be surprised if it never reemerges.

that would not surprise me either ... they will get the water pumped out eventually back into the lake ... but the city is prett ymuch gone.

I know that whole area by the French Quarter surroundings is full of cemeteries and ghetto housing ... from the maps ... those are fucked ...

This city will be doomed forever ... I am not sure even rebuildign it makes sense, seeing how all this can happen again ... this "below sea level" thing would make me think twice.
 
thats an excellent point. how are they going to extricate a below-sea-level city out from 10 feet of water? me thinks New Orleans is over with.

isnt the lake what flooded NO in the first place? it wasnt really the gulf as far as i understand it.

toxicity: isnt NO the outlet for the Mississipi river? *gags*