I am really fucking depressed

Gaspard

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I have been into recording/producing for 9 months now, and all my recordings sucks, metal or rock, my drums sound like SHIT (i use drumkit from hell superior), my guitars sound mushy and not exiting or punchy (i use the pod XT pro), my vocals sound like shit (not me sining but the sound), the vocals sond too different from the whole song ambiance. And finally, my final mixes are LOW AS SHIT, compared to other CD's (if i listen to one of the songs i produced on my iPod i put the level on full and it is as loud as if the level was on half on another song of the same style), on a more general felling, my mixes sound empty and cold, it may sound stupid but i feel like if there were holes in the mix (like empty spaces in the panoramic of the song (pan).

I think i need major help on EQ'ing, compressing, reverb etc...

I need help i am really down about that...
 
yea it took me a while to not compeltely suck. im out of that level and in just the suck level... dont feel bad it takes time.

post some clips that really helps a lot and people will guide you where you are going wrong.
 
Oz beat me to the welcome part.

All the same problems you described I started with.

First off, I would way abuse the EQ on everything.

I thought I had to make the guitars and drums sound god like and extremely boosted the highs and lows.

Basically the over EQing of certain frequencys like high and low will eat up the headroom real quick causing your mix to peak like its loud but as a whole its terribly quiet.

Basically your boomy noisy scratchy parts of your mix are probably as loud as a professional cd but the actual riffs and beats of the song are quiet.

I recorded Mic'd guitars and direct through a POD Pro and they would both sound like shit. mainly from EQ and too much gain. Eventually you will get to the point where you mic things right from the start and you barely use any EQ to shape the tone.

First things I would do if I were you.

If you are really serious about it, look into a college class.

My Colleges around me offer Recording Studio Techniques and Pro Tools classes and they are only $60 per semester.

They will teach you more in 16 weeks than you will probably gain in the first 2 to 4 years of trying to figure it out on your own.

I have tryed some books too like Home Recording for Musicians for Dummies, Mixing Engineers Handbook, Modern Recording Techniques, and gained little from them, mostly because I am impatient and there is nothing better than being able to just ask someone a question and have them answer.


Theres alot of elements to recording and mixing.

The room you record in can make your drums, vocals, guitars etc, sound like shit.

The mic you use and where you place it can make them sound like shit.

The speakers you are using, room accoustics or where your listening position is placed according to rooms, walls etc can misrepresent what is being played back to you.

Go to Aurlex.com and check out sections of the site that demonstrate a dry room with vocals, guitar, bass etc. Then the same recording setup in the same room but with a Roominators foam kit. Or a Max Wall kit.

Recording in a treated room will clean up your tracks. Mixing in a treated room will help you properly hear what is coming from your tracks.

It seems like you have some decent gear to work with.

If you have trouble with drums, try drumagog and as long as your cymbols sound ok you will get better sounding drums right away and you can always practice making the micd drums sound good with time.

Read about what amps work well for recording and what settings are used on them.

Most people will tell you a 5150, Mesa Dual Rectifier with a Marshall or Mesa Cab and an SM57 will do the job.

Dont give up if you really want it.

We have all been there and in someways are still stuck trying to get to the next level. Im sure everyone has thought about selling all their recording shit and giving up.

You are on a great site for gaining knowledge and assistance.


You might want to check out something like Charles Dyes Mix it Like a Record DVD.

It includes Pro Tools sessions and walks you through the start and finish of mixing a song with all of the standard Pro Tools LE Plugins as well as options for others that have Waves and so forth.

That would be a good hands on way to see how levels, eq and plugins are used.

But its about $134. But I hear they are beginning to use that DVD at some of the Music Colleges.

And from what I have seen on the net, even people who have been recording for 10 to 20 years have learned new approaches or reconfirmed their exsisting techniques and already get better mixes after watching it.

Im pretty sold on checking it out.

Good luck man.
 
Hi Gaspard!
I guess we all have been in your situation and most of us propably still are :-D. One important thing to remember is that the reference cd:s you listen most propably involve musicians and engineers who have been working full time for possibly decades... The more you do, the better you get. Just take a lot of time to listen and analyze the mixes you are doing and compare them to your reference cds and make notes why you're not satisfied with them. Then tweak a bit and so on and so on. It takes a lot of patience and time. Don't give up! :-)

And don't worry about the volume thing... At first make sure your unmastered mixes sound good! It seems to me that you're more worried about the volume than the overall sound. It just might be that you're making your mixes sound like shit by trying to get them sound loud. You should let someone else do the mastering at first and concentrate on mixing at first, unless you're more interested in mastering and your plan is to become a mastering engineer. If you post a mix here, post a mastered and unmastered version! I stopped raping my own mixes after 1 year of recording/mixing when I realised I was making my mixes sound shitty by concentrating too much on making them louder than anything else out there by my shitty mastering attempts.
 
Yeah dude I go through little phases like this sometimes as well. Recording is not easy! However, as everyone else has already said, with enough practice, you will eventually see improvement. Some people of course have a natural ear for it, but that doesn't mean that you will always suck. I also agree with MetalWorks about taking some school if you have the opportunity. I understand that it is in no way mandatory, but it definitely was really nice for me to to have knowledgeable teachers around to answer whatever my new questions of the day were. There were a lot of in-class demonstrations and such that were really interesting as well, like putting 12 different mics on a snare drum and listening to each one back...just things that really open up the recording world to those who are new to it.
Other than practicing and at least some schooling if you have a chance, I would just recommend this forum, haha. Seriously, it's an incredible resource with a ton of knowledgeable people to draw wisdom from!

+1 to nuclearass's mentioning of the fact that the engineers we all look up to likely have MANY more years of experience than we do. When you keep things in that kind of perspective, it makes no sense at all to get discouraged about not sounding as good as them!
 
Damn.. :/

Try to be positive and keep pushing towards where you want to be. (you obviously 'vision' of what you want.. believe in it). Be creative, patient and ENJOY each little discovery and improvement along the way.

It'll come man. Being critical is good but don't be too hard on yourself, that's obviously no fun.
 
I hear you, man, we've all been there. The other guys have given some great advice, but there's one more thing that has helped me in a similar situation.

First of all, try not to get frustrated. Recording and mixing isn't easy and it'll take quite a while to get decent results. I've been doing this stuff for a couple of years and I still suck big time, but at least now I know what I want to get and how others have achieved it. If you feel you're stuck, take a break. Forget the whole thing for a while, rest your ears, perhaps don't even listen to any music at all for some time. There's nothing like a good ear-vacation to make your head fresh again.

Secondly, if you really feel like your mixes suck and you feel like you're getting nowhere, start from the beginning. Forget everything you're used to and try something new. Have you boosted certain frequencies in the snare to get a good sound? Try doing the opposite, getting a good sound with dipping. Have you started the mixing by doing the drums first? So do most of us, but try starting with, for example, vocals. Be open to new ideas even if they'd turn out crap. That way you'll be constantly learning something.

Good luck with your mixing, just have lots of patience and eventually you'll get better and better :)
 
I think everyone gets in a slump about their abilities every now and again. It's probably what defines a good working mindset.

Exactly... spot on.

The day that you will be 100% satisfied with your recordings will probably never come... and that is a good thing, it keeps you going.

Keep this in mind and work with a more positive mindset.. enjoy it, don't be too hard on yourself and it'll become better and better in the long term.
 
Exactly... spot on.

The day that you will be 100% satisfied with your recordings will probably never come... and that is a good thing, it keeps you going.

Keep this in mind and work with a more positive mindset.. enjoy it, don't be too hard on yourself and it'll become better and better in the long term.

+1

And youve only being doing it 9 months i cant think of anything that you can become great at in 9 months.

9 months after i started playing guitar i still sucked now its 5 years later and i still suck just i suck a little less. ha ha kep with it and remember try to have a little fun as well.
 
Yea its been a few years and i freaking suck bad still but like someone said i just suck a little less now.:Saint: But honestly i have felt the same exact way you do and its very easy to listen to a commercial Cd or come here and listen to peoples mixes and get jealous and beat yourself up that you suck. But hey look on the bright side all these people here are willing to help and share knowledge on how they achieve those great mixes!!

Oh and am i missing something on the band you produced cause there is no music on that band page:Smug:
 
LOL yeah i noticed that not one song........there is some live videos.....i would be more depressed about how sloopy the band is.....

i have some advice.....the better the players the easier the mix comes together.