i hate when people criticize the stuff i like solely because it's not happy & bouncy

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I JERK OFF TO ARCTOPUS
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Nevertheless the sun hides not Virginia's Dismal Swamp, nor Rome's accursed Campagna, nor wide Sahara, nor all the millions of miles of deserts and of griefs beneath the moon. The sun hides not the ocean, which is the dark side of this earth, and which is two thirds of this earth. So, therefore, that mortal man who hath more of joy than sorrow in him, that mortal man cannot be true --not true, or undeveloped. With books the same. The truest of all men was the Man of Sorrows, and the truest of all books is Solomon's, and Ecclesiastes is the fine hammered steel of woe. All is vanity. ALL. This wilful world hath not got hold of unchristian Solomon's wisdom yet. But he who dodges hospitals and jails, and walks fast crossing grave-yards, and would rather talk of operas than hell; calls Cowper, Young, Pascal, Rousseau, poor devils all of sick men; and throughout a care-free lifetime swears by Rabelais as passing wise, and therefore jolly; --not that man is fitted to sit down on tomb-stones, and break the green damp mould with unfathomably wondrous Solomon.

But even Solomon, he says, the man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain ( i. e. even while living) in the congregation of the dead. Give not thyself up, then, to fire, lest it invert thee, deaden thee; as for the time it did me. There is a wisdom that is woe; but there is a woe that is madness. And there is a Catskill eagle in some souls that can alike dive down into the blackest gorges, and soar out of them again and become invisible in the sunny spaces. And even if he for ever flies within the gorge, that gorge is in the mountains; so that even in his lowest swoop the mountain eagle is still higher than other birds upon the plain, even though they soar.
 
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obviously they didnt teach it to me in high school - but im catching up now. im not overly concerned with catching all the references, but like you were saying, im psyched about all that darkness in a classic - its really pretty "metal."

i was thinking maybe i should go into teaching, but i dont think i could take the stupid kids. i would only want to teach smart, alienated kids who love to read and play guitar.
 
kids aren't stupid so much as they grew up with a lot of people who don't care (parents, teachers, friends).

i just read the awesome chapter in which ahab, who has an ivory leg after a bloody encounter with MOBY-DICK, meets another ship which has a captain who has an ivory arm after a bloody encounter with MOBY-DICK, and the dramatic tension of the chapter comes from the fact that the other ship isn't handicapped-accessible.
 
I recall that chapter well. I read the abridged version when I was like 8 or so, without all those pedantic chapters on cetology and the history of whaling and whatnot, but I didn't read the full text until a couple of years ago. Reading the complete text pretty much justified my mild obsession with the story as a child.

Did anyone ever see the movie (the older one with Gregory Peck as Ahab, not Patrick Stewart)?
 
i thought those interim chapters were lame (like the list of what the Dutch whalers carry foodwise) at first but they're actually pretty awesome.

i've never seen a film of this and now i want to.
 
Have you read Poe's "Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym" by any chance? Not exactly related to Moby-Dick, but both feature seafaring plots and I read both for the same class, so they are linked in my mind. If not, you should find a copy - it's Poe's longest work, but that's not saying much (I think it comes in at under 200 pages) and it's a really fun read.
 
Also, what edition of Moby-Dick do you have? I have the Arion Press edition as reprinted by the University of California, which is supposedly the most awesome version available - hence why the professor required (or at least strongly suggested) this version - and I believe it. If you really enjoy the novel, I'd suggest trying to find a copy of this edition if you don't already have it. It's worth it for the accompanying illustrations (boxwood engravings - not of the actual story, but of places, ships, whales, harpoons, tools, whaling processes and other stuff related to the story), special typeface (including a unique set of letters to begin each chapter designed specifically for this book called "Leviathan"), etc. It really makes the whole experience more interesting.
 
I have read the Pym story but I don't remember it at all.

I actually have two copies of Moby-dick, neither being that edition. The one I started on is my old battered copy from high school and the one I'm reading now is better because it's FOOTNOTED! Footnotes are so key.
 
Moby Dick is really awesome. I was so impressed with the few chapters they included in our 10th grade anthology shit that I went out and bought it. I enjoyed it a lot, though I thought some of the tangential chapters (whale anatomy specificially) bogged it down a bit. I've been meaning to read it again.
 
actually, all that attention to anatomy etc. led to some really fun google image searches over the course of my reading. whales are amazing! and whaling would be some scary shit!