Ignorance is bliss in this picture?

NADatar said:
wage in this country, you do realize they still pay sales tax right? It's not a free ride.

Oh yea that woppin 8.5% on that churro is really going a long way. Dude, over a third of my check gets taken away, no tax refund, and I still pay sales tax. On top of all the other petty bullshit that fills the states pockets. The brownsters don't have to register their fucking cars, pay auto insurance, or jack fucking diddly. Free ride to the emergency room if they get injured. Oh can't pay the bill? Just drive back to mexico, we got you covered. Fuck these spics. :Smug:
 
<<Yeah I love how American companies send their factories to Mexico for cheap laboUr and then bitch when the immigrants come to the US to make decent money, they all freak out. Awesome.>>

I agree with you, the immigration debate is very beneficial to the bigwigs, as it distracts us from the real enemy facing the average US-born worker: corporate scum. I still think businesses should be discouraged from hiring illegals and some tightening is necessary, but let's not forget that the obscenely rich have fucked the working class over to a much greater degree than immigrants have...and border jumpers didn't elect Bush or lay off people by the thousands.
 
then there is outsourcing ... which is just as easy for US companies to do ...
NICARAGUA is the next big hotbed for this from what I read in business magazines.

qualified labor pool, easy to fly to an fro from the US ... and cheap labor.
 
Demonspell said:
<<Yeah I love how American companies send their factories to Mexico for cheap laboUr and then bitch when the immigrants come to the US to make decent money, they all freak out. Awesome.>>

I agree with you, the immigration debate is very beneficial to the bigwigs, as it distracts us from the real enemy facing the average US-born worker: corporate scum. I still think businesses should be discouraged from hiring illegals and some tightening is necessary, but let's not forget that the obscenely rich have fucked the working class over to a much greater degree than immigrants have...and border jumpers didn't elect Bush or lay off people by the thousands.

yay, the bigger picture

what you have to look at is who is making the real money

its just like in the UK
same bitching

if we had no immigrants here there'd be no fucking doctors or nurses in the hospitals
 
unhinged said:
yay, the bigger picture

what you have to look at is who is making the real money

its just like in the UK
same bitching

if we had no immigrants here there'd be no fucking doctors or nurses in the hospitals

Uhhh we're talking about illegal immigrants here. Also, are you trying to tell me everyone in Ireland is a fucking doctor? There's not 1 impoverished bloke in all of Ireland with the last name McGrady willing to go pick potatoes?
 
Dead_Lioness said:
^ or shwarma-kebob places to eat after all night beer drinking ;)

that's what i would miss the most :headbang:

I can't imagine NY without immigrants. It would be a swarm of WASP's everywhere ... ugh
 
im still stuck on the idea that illegal immigrants can hold HUGE protests and wave the flags of foreign countries and not be arrested or hosed or whatever the fuck. protests by blacks or WASPs like myself would be met with endless arrests and scathing criticism from either the right or left respectively.
legal american citizens can wave any flag they want - its absurdly rude but hey, youre free; but fucking illegals waving mexican flags?! wow. a slap in the face of anyone who ever faced combat in defense of this country. makes me want to vomit.

@NAD: you might not have a problem with illegals but consider that your schools and hospitals are bankrupt because of them. volunteer border patrollers are shot at and pelted with rocks in an effort to prevent people from entering this overfilled country illegally. you support this?
 
cthulufhtagn said:
perhaps they do, but i doubt you'd do any different in their situation, to expect otherwise would be unrealistic. we have to correct the economic situations in the countries they come from in order for it to ultimately stop, but allowing that to happen would come at the expense of american profits so this shit will definitely not end soon.
well, yeah, and i agree. but im not naive enough to *believe* in such a socialist cause. at one point in my life i did, and i think itd be wonderful if we could all be on the same page but thats not human behavior works. socialism has been shown time and time again to be a miserable failure.
im not disagreeing that huge american companies indulge in unfair business practices - they should be held accountable.
i dont understand why *we* need to correct economic situations in other countries. you seem unaware that our government already funnels billions of dollars into the well-being of other countries. and i dont mean wars.
 
dorian wins.

it's still baffling that these people are protesting for the rights of people who are not suppose to be here in the first place. classic stuff, and the good ol' boys on capitol hill will most likely give in because god knows they are to busy to mow their own fucking yards
 
:kickass: thanks for the support
i too fear a lasseiz-faire response from the politicians. dont want to offend potential voters now would we? :erk:
 
it really makes me laugh in a sad kind of way. they used to own and rule Texas, then they got the snot kicked out of 'em. and now they're trying to come back to be our servants. hilarious.

all of the lawn mower men and illegals cooking in mexican restaurants and even that guy driving around the burrito truck are probably part of some super secret beaner army waiting to take back the homeland
 
speaking of Texas, did those displaced people from Louisiana go back, or are still hanging out there?
 
probably still hanging about since the mayor of new orleans said "stay the fuck out". i dont venture to houston too often. stay in my hood north of houston, since woodlands>>>>houston
 
I think the people on both sides of this debate, need to stop trying to reduce their arguments to sound bites and talking points. It's just not feasible. This is a very complex issue, and deserves to be dealt with as such.

Do illegal immigrants take jobs? Yes. Do they take jobs that American workers want? Well, Americans don't want them at the rates that they're paying the illegal immigrants. To which the anti-illegal crowd screams, "Well, if you paid decent wages, Americans would work these jobs." True. But it's not that simple. If you pay an illegal $1 an hour to pick fruit, but have to pay an American worker $15 an hour, plus health benefits, you've just driven the prices of fruit through the roof. Once that happens, we'll have people screaming that fruit is one of the four basic food groups, and it should be affordable to all people, not just the wealthy. So now, the government will have to step in and subsidize the fruit market. In response to these newly created subsidies, the government will be forced to raise our taxes. And what about all the single mothers, who can’t afford anything but an illegal female worker to watch her children (because she can’t afford the cost of daycare provided by Americans), while she goes off to earn a living? Would it be better if that mother went on welfare instead? The point being, if you could waive a magic wand, and replace the millions of illegals, earning slave wages, with Americans, making good wages and receiving benefits, there would be serious and undesirable consequences, that are difficult to fully comprehend without a doctorate level understanding of macroeconomics.

I’m not saying we should do nothing. I’m not even certain where I fall on this issue. I’m just saying, there’s a layer of complexity here, that very few people seem to be speaking to.

As for the whole "Speak English or Die" crowd… I'm guessing that most of the people who hold that view haven't done much traveling internationally. On one of my trips to Mexico, the wife and I ended up at a bar, discussing world politics with a small group. In that group was someone from a French-speaking province in Canada, someone from Germany, someone from the Netherlands, someone from Italy and our bartender, who was born and raised in Mexico. As this discussion went on, it occurred to me that the entire conversation had transpired in English, even though English wasn't the native tongue of anyone at the bar besides my wife and I. I felt truly embarrassed at that moment. We were the only people involved in this discussion, capable of speaking in only one language.

No matter where you go in this world, by and large, people are capable of conversing in multiple languages. Yet, here we sit, ignorant, yet feeling superior and thinking the world needs to learn our tongue. And while I appreciate that English is the language of commerce, it doesn't mean we shouldn't recognize that there's a big planet out there. Perhaps it wouldn't kill us to learn a bit of someone else's language, or at least be a little less critical when people struggle with ours.

Zod

P.S. - the chick holding the sign is totally hot
 
General Zod said:

Well put and so goddamn true on all points. Especially the language part. Yes, if you live in america/canada you should be able to speak english, that said, we shouldn't feel we ONLY have to learn english, and should consider at least learning a smattering in another language or two. Personally, I'd love to learn other languages and then travel to said country and try it out.