IHSAHN: New Song = 8 string guitars, Mix by Jens Bogren

[kass]

imo this is very injustified use of the 8 string, it may be tuned very low, but does not add heaviness or anything; i don't know :s I just can't see the use of it.

Not to mention Meshuggah is hardly musical. Innovative, rhythmically challenging, genre-defining, and influential, sure, but not 'musical.'

What is wrong with you people?



strange shit for a "musician"(?) to say...

 

[JeffTD]

Oh, blow it out your ass you pompous prick.



And yeah they do, for the clean stuff, the chords and the solos. Man....

Hahaha tampon in the wrong hole?

Look, I love Meshuggah, but I'll be the first to admit that they've made a career off rhythmic exercises.

I should hurt you.

Define "musical." An organised collection of notes? Put together to evoke a specific atmosphere, emotion or something like that?
Meshuggah is music in every sense of the word.

Honestly, tune that shit to E and tell me it'd till be 100% as cool.

 

[EdSOE]

Let's just enjoy the song fellows

 

[kass]

Honestly, tune that shit to E and tell me it'd till be 100% as cool.

Tune Master of Puppets up over an octave above its intended tuning and tell me it'd be 100% as cool.

Your reasoning is senseless.

 

[JeffTD]

Tune Master of Puppets up over an octave above its intended tuning and tell me it'd be 100% as cool.

Your reasoning is senseless.

Not really. MoP is in standard... a standard our ears are used to. By tuning lower it sounds heavier, and after a certain point, bands just use it as a crutch.

 

[Line666]

I think I have to agree with Jeff, although perhaps from a more scathing angle, I simply don't understand the hype around the monotony that is Meshuggah.

Talented - undoubtedly, musical - debatable.

 

[kass]

Talented - undoubtedly, musical - debatable.

No. It's really not debatable.

Meshuggah's music is composed and organized, rhythmic, with tempos and meters, and uses pitch, timbre, melody, and harmony.

Its music. Period.

Not really. MoP is in standard... a standard our ears are used to. By tuning lower it sounds heavier, and after a certain point, bands just use it as a crutch.

By tuning lower, the guitar has a much different timbre. It is simply the timbre and pitch Meshuggah sees fit to express their ideas with. You are wrong to say that music requires pitches and timbres that you are used to in order to be music. You are also wrong to think that any musical piece must/should sound 100% as pleasing if you drastically alter the intended pitch and timbre of the instruments.

 

[JeffTD]

Did I ever say anything like that? Don't put words in my mouth.

It's music, yeah - as is African tribal beats, which meshuggah might as well just be an evolved form of.


Which is more musical - a symphony, or Meshuggah? That's what I mean by musical. Stop nitpicking.

 

[Jind]

You are wrong to say that music requires pitches and timbres that you are used to in order to be music. You are also wrong to think that any musical piece must/should sound 100% as pleasing if you drastically alter the intended pitch and timbre of the instruments.

Have to agree with this statement - in no way is music defined as what is pleasing to an "individual's" ears. As I'm hoping that you are aware, not all music in the world is in Western Music standard tunings. Middle Eastern music can have upwards of 17 microtones with intervals of different sizes. South Asian music upwars of 22 non-even intervals in an octave. These are just two examples of different cultures definition of what makes music - imagine how many different other ways there may be.

Holding all musicians to what any single individual "defines" as music is just being ignorant.

 

[Jind]

Did I ever say anything like that? Don't put words in my mouth.

It's music, yeah - as is African tribal beats, which meshuggah might as well just be an evolved form of.


Which is more musical - a symphony, or Meshuggah? That's what I mean by musical. Stop nitpicking.

Ummmmm - both. You as an individual cannot define what is more musical than something else. You can only voice an opinion about what you consider it to be - and you are entitled to that. Opinions are like ...... well you know the saying and we all have one.

 

[kass]

Did I ever say anything like that? Don't put words in my mouth.

yes you did say something like that.

Honestly, tune that shit to E and tell me it'd till be 100% as cool.

and

Not really. MoP is in standard... a standard our ears are used to. By tuning lower it sounds heavier, and after a certain point, bands just use it as a crutch.

If you didn't mean what those statements imply, then they are pointless statements for the argument so why say them?

It's music, yeah - as is African tribal beats, which meshuggah might as well just be an evolved form of.


Which is more musical - a symphony, or Meshuggah? That's what I mean by musical. Stop nitpicking.

Meshuggah's work contains most if not all musical elements there can be.

*shrug*

 

[Metaltastic]

I do think there's a bit of a mix up between the terms "musical" and "melodic" going on here...

 

[Damian B]

+1

 

[Jind]

I do think there's a bit of a mix up between the terms "musical" and "melodic" going on here...

But once again - melodic to one person is simply an opinion. The definition of melody/melodic is the perception of pleasant arrangements of musical notes. Perception, pleasing, - certainly sound a lot like opinions to me. I know - it's all semantics, but being narrow minded an calling something not musical simply because you don't happen to like it is ignorant.

 

[Line666]

No. It's really not debatable.

Meshuggah's music is composed and organized, rhythmic, with tempos and meters, and uses pitch, timbre, melody, and harmony.

Its music. Period.

YES. YES IT IS, OTHERWISE I WOULDNT BE SAT HERE BEING A PEDANTIC WANKER.

My electric toothbrush has a pitch, works at a set tempo and meter and could theoretically be harmonised with other toothbrushes.

 

[kass]

YES. YES IT IS, OTHERWISE I WOULDNT BE SAT HERE BEING A PEDANTIC WANKER.

My electric toothbrush has a pitch, works at a set tempo and meter and could theoretically be harmonised with other toothbrushes.

k

get some other toothbrushes, mic em up, and write and record a piece for us will you!?



there is no meter though.

 

[JBroll]

mv /stupid/irrelevant.bullshit /harmonycentral/wherethispointlesscockwavingbelongs && unmount /usr/local/asshole/head && wget something.usefultodo.org/seriously

Jeff

 

[Rex Rocker]

I love that intro and that chorus.

 

[kass]

mv /stupid/irrelevant.bullshit /harmonycentral/wherethispointlesscockwavingbelongs && unmount /usr/local/asshole/head && wget something.usefultodo.org/seriously

Jeff

needs more swearing please.

 

[JBroll]

watch -n 1 cat /usr/share/holycuntstuffedwithshitthat'sametricfucktonofgoddamnedswearing.motherfuckers

Jeff