I'm not sure what to make of this...

However, many a scream and some shrieks are masters of disguise and can fool many an ear. :)
And really, why should it matter? Both are legitimate tools in some vocalist's arsenals and both can be used as effectively as any traditionally sung note. I suspect they're devaluing them because they're not used in many styles. However, some of my favorite moments in music are "screamed".
 
It's a shame skyrefuge isn't on here as much, because I'd love to pick his brain about this piece.

ha, yeah, just got back from a 3 week bike tour. And this is the only thread that looked interesting enough to click on (I guess just because Zod posted it?) so I guess I picked the right one!

Anyway, I think it's fucking awesome that there is a whole Internet forum dedicated to analyzing and cataloging the recorded ranges of singers. Fucking Internet music nerds, I love 'em!

In these days of Big Data, it almost feels like any information that can be gathered is already in a database somewhere, but this is a category where regular human beings are toiling away the old-fashioned way (I think?) and generating new data from the Real World and adding it to our great shared database in the sky.

And yes, it's nothing more than a set of facts, it's not universally complete, it might have errors, and it sure as hell isn't going to tell you anything about who is a "better" singer. But it's information we didn't have before, and some information is always better and more useful than no information.

For anyone who hasn't followed the chain of links, the original (and ongoing) source for all the data is:

http://therangeplace.forummotions.com/f1-range-stuff

Every singer has their own thread, with the specific songs listed in which the singer hits high and low notes (unfortunately the lists don't include timestamps within those songs, but sometimes other posts in the thread will).

In the Hansi thread there's somebody doing processing and posting of mp3s so the community can determine if the Altair 4 scream is an A5 or an A6. :kickass:

The Barlow thread contains a couple of annotated YouTube videos that string together and identify all his significant notes.
 
so the community can determine if the Altair 4 scream is an A5 or an A6.
Which seems like it should be straight forward and simple enough. However, not even software can be absolutely sure of what's what in all instances. It's easy enough to push the overtones to the forefront and thus obfuscating the fundamental tone. This way, unless you have the vocal isolated you would swear you hear a different note. That said... even with just the vocal track I can easily trick software by pushing the overtones a bit more. I said "not even software" because I know many people check it that way. I didn't mean to say that software is better at it. A trained ear is more reliable than software under many a circumstance. It's harder to trick a trained ear than software but it can be done.