In 30 years...
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Jarkko Mattheiszen
The FU guy.
Why not? Probably not owning and maintaining an SSL4k room, but in one form or another, I'm sure.
Unless the planet goes FUBAR before that.
Unless the planet goes FUBAR before that.
Jaymz
Stymphalian Productions
Old_Gregg
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In 30 years waves will release a mixing plugin that will render audio engineers obsolete 
But seriously, the worlds gonna end in 2012 so I say no
But seriously, the worlds gonna end in 2012 so I say no
Audiosprite
ok
Joshua Wickman
Yes Sir!
jipchen
ForesterStudio
I think yes, even though the business will be totally different from what it's like now. No idea how exactly, though 
::XeS::
Member
Don't know...Even if many musicians start to record music I see lot of people that are not interested in recording/mixing but they wanna only play the instruments. And the big deal is not the recording but the mixing part. Everybody can record a drum or a cabinet in a way or another but could he mixes everything together?
But it's the same for photographers and other professions...actually every punk can buy a reflex, offering photo sessions for free, using cracked photoshop etc...
The goal shoul be to offer the professionality and the experience you get in these years and not foxilize yourself in a professional figure that can become obsolete, evolving along with the technologies
But it's the same for photographers and other professions...actually every punk can buy a reflex, offering photo sessions for free, using cracked photoshop etc...
The goal shoul be to offer the professionality and the experience you get in these years and not foxilize yourself in a professional figure that can become obsolete, evolving along with the technologies
guitarguru777
Member
No ...
The state of the music industry currently is very disheartening to say the least. I see less and less "big lables" and more bands going the indie route. In order to save money and keep profits. Its more intelligent for a band to release their own stuff on itunes and use viral marketing to get their product to the masses.
For Example ....
hide yo kids hide yo wife, Antionne and "Auto Tune The News" are making tons of cash from 1 song being a viral success.
Now...
While this may seem great for us lesser known producers its not. Technology is evolving. Kids like Bulb are making great sounding records at home for pennies on the dollar compared to the big name studios. As the technology evolves so will the tools to make music sound great. There will eventually be a plugin or digital simulation for everything.
Look at the AxeFX, its basically thrown tube amps out the window with how well it does modeling. Look at the waves plugins bundles, they are able to get the sounds of classic gear that normally costs hundreds of thousands of dollars for a fraction of the cost.
The internet has changed the music business forever... and will continue to do so.
The state of the music industry currently is very disheartening to say the least. I see less and less "big lables" and more bands going the indie route. In order to save money and keep profits. Its more intelligent for a band to release their own stuff on itunes and use viral marketing to get their product to the masses.
For Example ....
hide yo kids hide yo wife, Antionne and "Auto Tune The News" are making tons of cash from 1 song being a viral success.
Now...
While this may seem great for us lesser known producers its not. Technology is evolving. Kids like Bulb are making great sounding records at home for pennies on the dollar compared to the big name studios. As the technology evolves so will the tools to make music sound great. There will eventually be a plugin or digital simulation for everything.
Look at the AxeFX, its basically thrown tube amps out the window with how well it does modeling. Look at the waves plugins bundles, they are able to get the sounds of classic gear that normally costs hundreds of thousands of dollars for a fraction of the cost.
The internet has changed the music business forever... and will continue to do so.
Soundlurker
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This.
I bet photographers are asking themselves the same question given how affordable and advanced cameras have become. Yet talent and experience will always show and be sought after.
LeSedna
Mat or Mateo
That's the very question I ask to myself everyday for my pilot career.
I don't even know if in 10 or 15 years fuel won't be so expensive it will make most airlines disappear in a few years (in 2008, many low costs including the one I'm maybe joining were close to disappear, the price of the petrol barrol stopped 1 or 2$ before it was too late, because measures were taken in order to avoid that cause it would have got even worse, that's a part of the explanation why it had finally stopped increasing).
I'm not sure I will do a total career without having a major problem. Of course, the bilan will be positive since a pilot is very well paid, but still, my 40 years career is compromized. What makes my future brighter is that manufacturers still research and design planes, make them more and more efficient and awesome, and since it takes 10 to 20 years to make a plane viable, this is hope for at least 50 to 100 years of flying the way we know it.
That's why I plan in my life to have several possibilities at the same time, at least enough to live, and if possible in things time doesn't change too much.
Concerning audio production, in 30 years... well, I wanna play the devil's advocate here, just to think a little more. First, one thing is easy to do : exagerating the acceleration of development because it's something very natural. I mean, to talk about something I know well, 100 years ago, people were betting we would all have flying cars. And if we think about it, planes are almost the same now as what they were let's say 70/80 years ago.
Same about cars. They have improved, but in essence, they are still the same thing.
So it's too easy to think in 30 years a mix will do itself by a computer and will sound good. Okay, computers are another deal, they double their power every 1.5 years statistically and have the particularity to be able to do virtually almost everything, granted a human being makes it do it.
In 10 years, many things can change, but not "drastically" either. In 10 years, we will have certainly better sounding emulations, maybe better sounding amp cabs. Since when I started recording myself, there has been improvement but it hasn't changed totally in those 5 years. Waves SSL is older than 5years, isn't it ? So by then we'll have better sounding emulations, maybe a new distribution of the DAW market. Maybe protools will have lost its supriority in most studios, maybe the contrary.
In 20 years, now that's difficult to predict. At least 1 to 2 generations of audio interfaces. Maybe a little improvement in the microphone market but that seems a market where improvement is less obvious.
In 30 years, it will have changed a lot. I guess the concept of stuff like EzMix will be more used. If it works, why not ? There will still be a need for trained ear and experienced folks to put their hands in the project, but it's not too hard to bet it will be even easier for a bedroom warrior to do something decent out of a piece of software.
We also have to imagine maybe by then, some of our basic concepts will have changed, and the way we mix today will look "old fashionned" but maybe will still exist, exactly how we (most of us) do when we see a full console mixing tapes to another tape.
I'm more worried for the next generation, not only in engineering but in other fields. I'm not worried for the fact they'll have less work, but only because my cultural vision of art, work, society, is against the fact it changes.
Whatever happens, we have to deal with it.
The most important thing is to be clever about it and to make it an advantage. So it's maybe more intelligent to avoid spending more in gear if one is not able to make a good benefit out of it. To make a GOOD use of those new technologies. And never leave the train and be like an elder saying how better it was before, and do nothing about it, thinking he is fighting with a good morale or dunno what. He "maybe" is right, but maybe it's a dumb idea.
Also, those things will ever stay relative and subjective. I've heard an interview 2 days ago where a musician told he thought that since the 30's the audio quality has only decreased, even the 70's for him were crap, sonically.
[EDIT : I experienced a BSOD but hopefully firefox reminded my post... phew, I have to track that driver which is said to be faulty, it's driving me nuts]
I don't even know if in 10 or 15 years fuel won't be so expensive it will make most airlines disappear in a few years (in 2008, many low costs including the one I'm maybe joining were close to disappear, the price of the petrol barrol stopped 1 or 2$ before it was too late, because measures were taken in order to avoid that cause it would have got even worse, that's a part of the explanation why it had finally stopped increasing).
I'm not sure I will do a total career without having a major problem. Of course, the bilan will be positive since a pilot is very well paid, but still, my 40 years career is compromized. What makes my future brighter is that manufacturers still research and design planes, make them more and more efficient and awesome, and since it takes 10 to 20 years to make a plane viable, this is hope for at least 50 to 100 years of flying the way we know it.
That's why I plan in my life to have several possibilities at the same time, at least enough to live, and if possible in things time doesn't change too much.
Concerning audio production, in 30 years... well, I wanna play the devil's advocate here, just to think a little more. First, one thing is easy to do : exagerating the acceleration of development because it's something very natural. I mean, to talk about something I know well, 100 years ago, people were betting we would all have flying cars. And if we think about it, planes are almost the same now as what they were let's say 70/80 years ago.
Same about cars. They have improved, but in essence, they are still the same thing.
So it's too easy to think in 30 years a mix will do itself by a computer and will sound good. Okay, computers are another deal, they double their power every 1.5 years statistically and have the particularity to be able to do virtually almost everything, granted a human being makes it do it.
In 10 years, many things can change, but not "drastically" either. In 10 years, we will have certainly better sounding emulations, maybe better sounding amp cabs. Since when I started recording myself, there has been improvement but it hasn't changed totally in those 5 years. Waves SSL is older than 5years, isn't it ? So by then we'll have better sounding emulations, maybe a new distribution of the DAW market. Maybe protools will have lost its supriority in most studios, maybe the contrary.
In 20 years, now that's difficult to predict. At least 1 to 2 generations of audio interfaces. Maybe a little improvement in the microphone market but that seems a market where improvement is less obvious.
In 30 years, it will have changed a lot. I guess the concept of stuff like EzMix will be more used. If it works, why not ? There will still be a need for trained ear and experienced folks to put their hands in the project, but it's not too hard to bet it will be even easier for a bedroom warrior to do something decent out of a piece of software.
We also have to imagine maybe by then, some of our basic concepts will have changed, and the way we mix today will look "old fashionned" but maybe will still exist, exactly how we (most of us) do when we see a full console mixing tapes to another tape.
I'm more worried for the next generation, not only in engineering but in other fields. I'm not worried for the fact they'll have less work, but only because my cultural vision of art, work, society, is against the fact it changes.
Whatever happens, we have to deal with it.
The most important thing is to be clever about it and to make it an advantage. So it's maybe more intelligent to avoid spending more in gear if one is not able to make a good benefit out of it. To make a GOOD use of those new technologies. And never leave the train and be like an elder saying how better it was before, and do nothing about it, thinking he is fighting with a good morale or dunno what. He "maybe" is right, but maybe it's a dumb idea.
Also, those things will ever stay relative and subjective. I've heard an interview 2 days ago where a musician told he thought that since the 30's the audio quality has only decreased, even the 70's for him were crap, sonically.
[EDIT : I experienced a BSOD but hopefully firefox reminded my post... phew, I have to track that driver which is said to be faulty, it's driving me nuts]
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Williamn
Member
Who is leading that uprise in your opinion ?
On-topic.
+1 @ Jarkko Mattheiszen and LeSedna.
The most importen part is "Whatever happens, we have to deal with it."
If you spend your time bitching and worrying about the "shitty" state of music then yes, you will properly be out of job.
But if you deal with it and instead try to find out how to play the current mindset and technology to your advantage, then I like to think you still have a chance.
There will always be people who look for studios where the man behind got brilliant ears and talent.
But lets see what the future brings
Heck, like LeSedna mentioned there was also people in the 70s/80s/90s who thought the music scene could not get any worse.
LeSedna
Mat or Mateo
About the 70s music part of my post, I was more referring to the sound quality than to the music itself. The guy was saying for him it was already the end of sound quality. I guess he was one of those who think it's all in natural an raw recording and any form of compression is cheating etc.
Sloan
Sounds like shit!
I kinda feel the same way about the way an artist has to work nowadays - it's not about doing one good thing anymore, it's about doing a ton of great things and having multiple revenue streams. I have in no way gotten close to mastering this yet. As it becomes easier and easier for an artist to make a shitty recording at home, play a show for free, and get people to come to their shows by giving it away for free, it becomes increasingly harder for people to make a living.
I put a lot of blame on 'artists'. They don't put a value on their work and so it is not valued by consumers. I see this all the time in the cover band shit I do - bars will book the shittiest band for $200 instead of booking a great band for $500. Then they decide that bands don't draw people and start booking karaoke dudes for $300, but people show up because there's not a shitty band playing. That's an example of how a musician's work is devalued to the point where they can't afford to play anymore. It's sad.
I put a lot of blame on 'artists'. They don't put a value on their work and so it is not valued by consumers. I see this all the time in the cover band shit I do - bars will book the shittiest band for $200 instead of booking a great band for $500. Then they decide that bands don't draw people and start booking karaoke dudes for $300, but people show up because there's not a shitty band playing. That's an example of how a musician's work is devalued to the point where they can't afford to play anymore. It's sad.
SimonTaddio_Qc
Headbanger
Virgil.
¯\(°_o)/¯
Doesn't anyone remember my end of the world thread from last month? Apparently May 21, 2011 we will all be destroyed.
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/off-topic-tavern/673291-end-world-5-21-2011-a.html
So, no.... no one will be around to make a living doing this.
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/off-topic-tavern/673291-end-world-5-21-2011-a.html
So, no.... no one will be around to make a living doing this.
jangoux
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No, unless I go living overseas...but in 30 years, living in Brazil, I hope I can get a job in some government area. Good payment (although lots of work), can't be fired, loads of benefits...way better than getting the ass fucked everyday by my boss. I love working as an AE, but I have 2 daughters to sustain and I really really want a easier life. In 30 years I'll be almost 60, so I'll try to enjoy the last years I will be able to have a bonner without wanting to gunshot my clients everyday. I will probably sustain it as a hobby, tho.
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