So when this place shuts down...

[DanLights]

The truth is that this forum is becoming a lair of idiots
like...


- People who want their music/mix rated and never rate the other's.

This is a very important point that isn't often spoken about. Whenever I'm on my computer not working on any mix/song/etc. I take the time to stroll through 3 or 4 threads on the RMM section and give my thoughts, just to play my part, in expectance that more people do the same and will post on MY mixes when the time comes

 

[DanLights]

Other than that do you REALLY think Sneap would close this place just cause few idiots showed up(like they do everywhere and it's perfectly normal)? Do you really think he has no regard for the "good" guys here?

That exact thing happened with the Opeth Forum right here in UM not long ago, so it isn't crazy to think about the possibility, but I agree with you, I don't think it'll happen (nor do I hope)

I got kinda depressed reading this :/ Im so addicted to this forum that i'll probably start numerous personalities and go crazy, named mago and Ermz and speak self monologues about how cool shit you guys make and how i could become like you. Don't let it happen to me

EDIT: And digging sneap work is like having a penis, you should be more grateful to it's presence and it being given to you, but still you ignore it daily and put some trousers on it. Sneap just so great that it would be idiot to EVERY day worship. Still i hear everyday sneap's production and wonder what the fuck's being done with the guy to be so good. Obviously not all about learning, guy just born with the talent.

You can be very funny sometimes, and your completely messed up english sometimes makes it even funnier No offense intended of course

 

[Soundlurker]

just driving the point home

You actually added some valid points.

I think the more we learn the less we notice good quality posts and the more we are annoyed even by posts that aren't necessarily bad but rather old news.

Perhaps one simple new sub-forum called "High-end" could solve all our problems? It's a common division for many forums and the seasoned pros won't have to filter through newbie questions and responses. The new guys on the other hand won't have to be greeted with the inevitable "use the search, n00b" or if they do use the search: "stupid n00b...necro-thread"

 

[xFkx]

Oh the drama,

on the bright side, this forum is the main reason I could quit my job and do this stuff more or less full-time (still can't decide if I should throw myself into the abyss of financial debt to open my own tracking space, we'll see)

 

[vespiz]

but the Finns still scare me

Boo.

1. Post actual useful topics, unless it's in the off-topic section then go nuts.
2. Respond with something useful in other peoples posts.
3. If you see a post or comment you think is dumb, ignore ir or block that person.

Its really pretty simple.

Quite so. I've tried to keep my S/N ratio high around forums and skimming over the posts and only reading those that seem interesting helps.

I don't always succeed.

There have been many times I've already written a reply to a post but then thought "fuck it, what's the point?".
I might be an old(?) hippy, but there's already too much negativity going on that I don't want to add to it.

Sometimes I read the flame-wars that erupt and I can't help but to feel exasperated and think "aah come on, get over it!"
Steering the young'uns towards enlightement is all well and good, but there are ways to do it.
Not getting into a pissing-contest is a good one..*



* Tho' sometimes highly entertaining.. which kinda makes my point moot in a sense..

 

[koalamo]

I've only been here for a short amount of time as well although I believe i registered here like 2 years ago but audio engineering to me back then was like how do make m-audio work with hack fl studi000zz


But ever since I've been here I've learned so much its unreal and living in the middle of nowhere I really don't have any ae friends that I could talk to


But seriously the influx of n00bz need to stop, its one thing to be new and to want to learn and another to just ask for presets and patches and ask obvious question that could be solved by reading the first two sentences of a manual or googling previous threads on the topic.

I'm all for a forum that would be invite only to weed these people out or at the very least more mods.

And ps how the hell do i get in contact with all you guys on aim ): I wanna be in the l00p. </3

 

[Steven Otto]

I've been kind of away from the forums for a couple of days and I don't really know what happened but it would be a shame if this place shut down..

remember when we raised money for jangoux's daughter's surgery?

remember "how do mix drums?"

remember how a lot of us have learned a ridiculous amount of things that we now apply every day of our lives?

etc etc etc...

this place is really great. I dont see what the problem is.

I just had a little South Park moment

 

[blacK.eXe]

Hey Guys! You might consider me part of the "problem" as i have not posted much yet and anything.
So let me say this in a friendly way as a "noob" .
I think the main problem is, that the new users (and all the people who are new to recording) often seek for "magic answers" on a pretty amateur lvl. As an example i didn´t know how a EQ worked and what to do with a unpleasing Guitar Track a few years ago.

In my case I did not ask for presets or explanations i could find or figure out by myself, because i respect communities like this.
I did not post any stupid threads, because I always kept asking myself - do you need this guys help to figure this out or is there another way?
The main problem about the situation in this board is IMO that new people don´t realize how annoying their FAQ and requests are.
They often post in blind desperation (because all this stuff IS desperating if you don´t have a clue what to do) and always are told to "figure out by themselfs".
I´ve read this Forum for 3 years now and never registered until now, but i really love this place! My suggestion to get rid of this problem is to start a noob section.
This may sound stupid for you but let me explain: On my YouTube account I have some of my mixes. They are not really great but they also are not super bad. I get a lot of feedback from other users asking for presets, samples and all that stuff. What I do is: I give them EVERYTHING.
All the ampsettings they want, all my presets and the stuff.

This way they start realizing that presets DO NOT do the job. They ask for help again, and after telling them "you need to figure this out by yourself - you see?!" I never hear anything again.
I think for all these People Presets seem so "magical" because they always hear them in great mixes and never get to use them by themself.
So I think a noob section would be good, even if the "big guys" would never read or write anything in there. I think noobs learning from noobs who exchange their presets with high amount of awweesome tact is still better than noobs spamming the forum and being bashed
What is also important to say is, that I don´t defend these people. I think they are ignorant and stupid to always cry for help :Smokedev:, but I think this could be a first step to solve the problem

Sorry for just stepping into your discussion and the shitty grammar

 

[dcb]

i love the idea of a new forum (like sneapesters.com) with invite function.
would love to have a forum with some of you really great guys again...
all the noobishness scares me away more and more.
there is no exchange of information here anymore..
to answer ermz question : i dont know. gearslutz is ok, but nowhere as personal
as this place.... love the direct feedbacks and honest opinions over here.

 

[Jaymz]

i love the idea of a new forum (like sneapesters.com) with invite function.
would love to have a forum with some of you really great guys again...
all the noobishness scares me away more and more.
there is no exchange of information here anymore..
to answer ermz question : i dont know. gearslutz is ok, but nowhere as personal
as this place.... love the direct feedbacks and honest opinions over here.

New forum sounds good but Andy wouldn't post there I know hes been busy as hell recently but that would mean he would never visit/post for sure...thats the whole reason I joined up here in the first place, to get some insights from the master himself!

If for whatever reason Andy ended up closing this forum down then fair enough. Although I hope that never happens!

 

[zver]

guys its just normal for the new guys to ask presets and magic things...but it will pass out...when i was like them i was only reading and trying things now maybe im not in this forum for so long but i helped some guys with their mixes.. yes there are people who look only for them like rate my mix and never post again or something like that but just let ignore that..im reading all this stuffs in this forum maybe 2 years and for metal productions this is the best thing..and there is nothing similar to this...on every forum there are rap electronic and i dont know what but for metal? i think that this should never end! just look for the guys who are really here for what should they be and ignore all the others! cheers

 

[cmstrike]

Although you guys don't know me, this forum has been a staple in my everyday routine for almost two years now. The amount of knowledge I've acquired here and the type of wisdom that I wouldn't have found anywhere else is incredible. I've been to quite a few audio-related online communities, and to be honest, they're all for the most part either very boring or very pompous. What I love about this place is that it's packed with information, and it's also very entertaining and feels like an actual community. And of course, we're all here because of how God damn amazing Andy Sneap is. And because we love audio.

I actually don't know why I haven't posted here, I guess I felt as if I wanted to improve my skills to be anywhere near as talented as so many of you are, but I think it's time that I start doing so. I'd actually like to thank you guys and Andy for everything that I've learned here, one day I hope I'll be able to offer something useful to this community. So I certainly hope that this place won't shut down any time soon.

-Chris

 

[jimwilbourne]

I'd hate to see this place go.
I've been recording music since I was 17. granted, I'm only 23 now, but since I was never formally trained, this has been the only place where I have consistently received great advice over the past 2 years. I didn't even register until I felt like I could actually contribute.

trolling?
yes, the trolling can be annoying, but whatever. there will always be people dumbing down every group of people working to advance themselves. no matter where you go, they will find you. haha

the noobness?
there will always be noobs. if they all suddenly disappeared, then no one would ever start recording again. honestly, being a noob just means you're looking for answers. no one figured out Gravity over-night. took closer to thousands of years. it's kinda unreasonable to expect noobs to come in to the community with complete for knowledge of what seems to be "obvious".

if there were a new forum, I'd love to be apart of the community. but since there's a push for an Invite-Only status, and I'm not buddy-buddy with every half decent engineer on this forum, I feel like I'd be left out. haha.
but then, if the community is going to be about only letting people in who don't need the forum, then I don't think there's much point in it.

 

[Old_Gregg]

I would actually hate it if this place was shut down, I check out the production tips section almost religiously everyday. It's amazing just how much good information and tips are stored in this place, and better yet its all free. I'm in no way a master at mixing/recording/generally all the stuff you guys are good at...hell I don't even consider myself good, but what I do know is that I'm getting better and that I wouldn't have ever been able to progress (albeit slowly) if it wasn't for this forum and you guys. I've probably made my fair share of noobish posts but I still always read up and soak in all the info I can before doing so...looking at my first few posts seems weird to me now but I guess thats a good thing in a way because it shows me that I've come some way since I started. I don't really contribute much/rate other peoples mixes but thats solely because I don't think my input would be of any use to someone. Hopefully in a few years down the line (providing this place does stay open *fingers crossed*) I can start to repay my debt to this forum whether it be through useful information/tips or just rating other peoples mixes once my ears develop a bit more, because frankly most of the mixes I hear that I think sound awesome always have people pointing out things that could be improved.

For now though theres not much else for me to do but sit back, carry on learning and most importantly, just do my own thing.

So heres to the forum and all the great guys on here

 

[Cryo114]

- People who want their music/mix rated and never rate the other's.

I fall into that group of people, but there is a reason for it. I know fuck all compared to most people here and as such I honestly feel kinda stupid giving feedback to stuff thats miles above me. The reason people post mixes here is because alot of the people here are damn good. I don't post mixes here to hear people say "That's cool!" I post to get suggestions of ways to make it better.

In other words, I would comment on other peoples mixes if it was of any value. In fact I do comment a lot on mixes on forums where the standard is much, much lower.

 

[reg3n]

I fall into that group of people, but there is a reason for it. I know fuck all compared to most people here and as such I honestly feel kinda stupid giving feedback to stuff thats miles above me. The reason people post mixes here is because alot of the people here are damn good. I don't post mixes here to hear people say "That's cool!" I post to get suggestions of ways to make it better.

In other words, I would comment on other peoples mixes if it was of any value. In fact I do comment a lot on mixes on forums where the standard is much, much lower.

That's the most logial statement a user can make for me. It doesn't hurt that someone tells you "awesomez mix dewd!" but you're always wondering for serious opinions from people that proved having damn fine ears, that can help you look for the right thing in your productions.
There's always stupid people around. There always will be. You can't shut down ANYTHING because of stupid people. Besides... who said it was closing?

 

[trb]

I fall into that group of people, but there is a reason for it. I know fuck all compared to most people here and as such I honestly feel kinda stupid giving feedback to stuff thats miles above me. The reason people post mixes here is because alot of the people here are damn good. I don't post mixes here to hear people say "That's cool!" I post to get suggestions of ways to make it better.

In other words, I would comment on other peoples mixes if it was of any value. In fact I do comment a lot on mixes on forums where the standard is much, much lower.

Great point. I'm much more likely to post a "rate my mix" thread than respond to one for the simple reason that I know less than just about everyone else here.

Just ban the obvious trolls and be done with it. This thread is starting to piss me off. :hotjump:

 

[colonel kurtz]

I've been kind of away from the forums for a couple of days and I don't really know what happened but it would be a shame if this place shut down..

remember when we raised money for jangoux's daughter's surgery?

remember "how do mix drums?"

remember how a lot of us have learned a ridiculous amount of things that we now apply every day of our lives?

etc etc etc...

this place is really great. I dont see what the problem is.

i also remember when one of the UK members got his interface ripped off from him, and everyone here pitched in to get him a new one...don't remember who, but it was definitely some cool shit for everyone to do.

 

[dani]

honestly in the 3 or 4 years i've been a member here, i've learned pretty much everything i know about being an AE.

i'm still not great, but i wouldn't even be at the level i'm at now, if it wasn't for this forum.

it would be a great loss to all aspiring AEs if this were to be shut down. i hope it never comes to that.

thanks,

 

[MindMunch]

If this board ever shut down, I hope the new one has a decent search function and some kind of wiki for FAQ, special info and guides.