yo, I could get a shure psm 200 for a decent price...thinking about getting it.
any experiences?
who's gigging with in ears?
any experiences?
who's gigging with in ears?
in ear monitoring
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El_Gato
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No experience with those shure but I can't stop using in-ear's anymore when gigging.
And it will isolate and give you only the volume/freqs/instruments that you want. My ears are much happier now. Ideal for AE's, IMO. And I hear everything better and more defined. I'd only like some custom fitted now for total comfort, I sweat too much and they sometimes slip out.
And it will isolate and give you only the volume/freqs/instruments that you want. My ears are much happier now. Ideal for AE's, IMO. And I hear everything better and more defined. I'd only like some custom fitted now for total comfort, I sweat too much and they sometimes slip out.
DanLights
Santa Hat Forever
I want those things bad, they're normally really expensive. I would love to use in ears for live shows, but never have. Plus I would like to have the click track so the backing track wouldn't just depend on the drummer, if the whole band would have in ears the drummer wouldn't have to be counting in every no drum part haha
DigitalMetal
Building a Mini SSL
I had the PSM200 Set, paid about £300 a few years ago, (since sold it) it works well but the construction is a bit plasticy cheap feeling (like most wireless systems i guess).
The only problem i really had was with the actual "in ears" i think they were shure E2's
It was hard to find the ear pieces that fit my ears properly (maybe ive got odd ears) you get a nice choice of different sizes and types with the set but none of them fitted me "just right", and when i had found the closest match and got them to stay in my ears, once i began to sweat a bit while gigging they popped out and wouldnt stay in.
So id say if you can get the E2's to stay in your ears they are good, pretty much the only "worth buying" cheap wireless set i could find availalbe at the time - although there may be newer systems out since the last time i looked.
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
Curious - is there a viable/practical way to use in-ears without having your own sound guy running FOH/monitors? My band might start using them for backing-track purposes since we'd all feel way better hearing the click and not just the drummer, but I'm not sure how we'd get a monitor mix without micing up the instruments ourselves separate from the house stuff?
arin
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as far as i know, you run in ears as an aux send. its like a whole nother channel. when i've done sound for bands with in ears, i just have a seperate channel for the in ears, and send what ever they want to it?
HeadCrusher
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Just hook up the in-ears to the Aux-sends coming from the desk. Of course your in-ear-mix is gonna be mono this way. And you loose all the wedges so the in-ear-mix better be good.
Having your own soundman doesn't really help you with the in-ears. Now having your own monitor guy is a whole different story! However as long as you don't play venues that have a dedicated monitor desk you'd have to bring you own. Cheapest option I can think of probably runs ~1,500 for the desk. You need something with at least 4 post-fader auxes (depending on the number of different mixes you want) and direct outs on each channel (so you can send them to FOH) or a dedicated splitter.
Having your own soundman doesn't really help you with the in-ears. Now having your own monitor guy is a whole different story! However as long as you don't play venues that have a dedicated monitor desk you'd have to bring you own. Cheapest option I can think of probably runs ~1,500 for the desk. You need something with at least 4 post-fader auxes (depending on the number of different mixes you want) and direct outs on each channel (so you can send them to FOH) or a dedicated splitter.
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Running in ears is exactly the same as running wedges.
Mic up instruments as usual, run them through a desk (either FOH or dedicated Mons) and then use Auxes to send 'amounts' of channels to the aux that requires it.
for eg;
Aux 1 - Drum , Aux 2 - GTR, Aux 3 - bassist (all sing)
So, kick would go to Aux 1/2/3 (obviously more for drummer)
Snare might go to 1 only
OHs would go to 1 only.
Gtr would go to 1/2/3
Bass might only go to 2/3
Vox would go 80% to their respective singer, and maybe 60% of the other two.
If you've got a backing track and click (L/R) then you'd pull the fader down on the right channel from FOH and send it to auxes 1/2/3. This will mean only the band can hear the click thru their ears and not the audience. You can also send the backing track via the auxes to any member of the band as left and right are on separate channels (either through DI boxes or XLRs into desk).
All in ear packs should take a mono or stereo feed (XLR), so you just take the XLR out of the aux and instead of sending it to a powered wedge or amp - it goes straight into the pack.
Simples!
Mic up instruments as usual, run them through a desk (either FOH or dedicated Mons) and then use Auxes to send 'amounts' of channels to the aux that requires it.
for eg;
Aux 1 - Drum , Aux 2 - GTR, Aux 3 - bassist (all sing)
So, kick would go to Aux 1/2/3 (obviously more for drummer)
Snare might go to 1 only
OHs would go to 1 only.
Gtr would go to 1/2/3
Bass might only go to 2/3
Vox would go 80% to their respective singer, and maybe 60% of the other two.
If you've got a backing track and click (L/R) then you'd pull the fader down on the right channel from FOH and send it to auxes 1/2/3. This will mean only the band can hear the click thru their ears and not the audience. You can also send the backing track via the auxes to any member of the band as left and right are on separate channels (either through DI boxes or XLRs into desk).
All in ear packs should take a mono or stereo feed (XLR), so you just take the XLR out of the aux and instead of sending it to a powered wedge or amp - it goes straight into the pack.
Simples!
HeadCrusher
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Here's a couple options:
Allen & Heath WZ³ 12M will allow for 6 independent stereo in-ear-mixes (cool!) but will only let you send 12 channels to FOH. So if you don't need inputs that's a cool option. Runs for roughly 1,800 EUR.
Allen & Heath WZ16:2³ DXwill enable you to run 16 channels to FOH and 6 independent mono in-ear-mixes (~1,200 EUR)
Allen & Heath GL2400-16 will allow you to run 6 independet mono in-ear-mixes and you can probably do some cool stuff with the Matrix on that desk as well. Also there a different frame sizes in case you need more channels (from ~1,800 onwards).
I've seen some more established acts bring their own Yamaha digital consoles just for monitors. I bet that's cool cause you can have effects in the monitors and what not. However that doesn't run for anything under 5k im afraid.
Allen & Heath WZ³ 12M will allow for 6 independent stereo in-ear-mixes (cool!) but will only let you send 12 channels to FOH. So if you don't need inputs that's a cool option. Runs for roughly 1,800 EUR.
Allen & Heath WZ16:2³ DXwill enable you to run 16 channels to FOH and 6 independent mono in-ear-mixes (~1,200 EUR)
Allen & Heath GL2400-16 will allow you to run 6 independet mono in-ear-mixes and you can probably do some cool stuff with the Matrix on that desk as well. Also there a different frame sizes in case you need more channels (from ~1,800 onwards).
I've seen some more established acts bring their own Yamaha digital consoles just for monitors. I bet that's cool cause you can have effects in the monitors and what not. However that doesn't run for anything under 5k im afraid.
-Noodles-
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You can easily make stereo In Ear mixes.. just use two auxes.
In smaller venues the FOH guy IS the monitor guy - so that's something to bear in mind. If you're playing venues which have a monitor desk, then it's probably about time to find a guy who can run monitors for you.
Obviously you can run a split system - and one of the band can control the in ears. This way you'll need to purchase a splitter (rack unit ones like.. T-Racks from thomann, 8 to 16 xlr - £130 or physical box splitters [more difficult to implement when touring unless in-line]).
When doing monitors you don't need ALL the channels through your ears - that just eats up headroom and doesn't really need to be there. For instance, hardly any drummer I know has their individual toms, just overheads. They also won't use both kick mics - just one. Guitars are the same when multimic'd.
So - a typical band will probably only need 8-15 channels of monitors - which is 2U of splitters.
A small desk with 4-6 Auxes (as headcrusher said, post-fader) is easy to rack mount and stick your splitters underneath.
If you want, drop me a PM and I can help put together something for those that are interested.
[edit - headcrusher... Monitors is the only thing that LS9's are good for !
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In smaller venues the FOH guy IS the monitor guy - so that's something to bear in mind. If you're playing venues which have a monitor desk, then it's probably about time to find a guy who can run monitors for you.
Obviously you can run a split system - and one of the band can control the in ears. This way you'll need to purchase a splitter (rack unit ones like.. T-Racks from thomann, 8 to 16 xlr - £130 or physical box splitters [more difficult to implement when touring unless in-line]).
When doing monitors you don't need ALL the channels through your ears - that just eats up headroom and doesn't really need to be there. For instance, hardly any drummer I know has their individual toms, just overheads. They also won't use both kick mics - just one. Guitars are the same when multimic'd.
So - a typical band will probably only need 8-15 channels of monitors - which is 2U of splitters.
A small desk with 4-6 Auxes (as headcrusher said, post-fader) is easy to rack mount and stick your splitters underneath.
If you want, drop me a PM and I can help put together something for those that are interested.
[edit - headcrusher... Monitors is the only thing that LS9's are good for !
]
HeadCrusher
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+1 to what Noodles said.
Also if you want to hear the backing track you don't need in-ears for that. Just tell the sound guy that you need the backings (but not the click obviously) in your wedges as well.
Still this kind of sucks. We have this one part in a song where there is a sampled drumbeat that the bassist plays along to. Well, the soundguy decided to take the samples out of all our wedges. Needless to say they were on during soundcheck! The drummer has a little mix with which he can adjust the amount of click/back/rest of monitor mix from FOH with. He heard the samples just fine and thought the bassist heard them too. Of course the bassist was kinda off when the chorus hit again... Dammit, I want 30k for my live rig.
Also if you want to hear the backing track you don't need in-ears for that. Just tell the sound guy that you need the backings (but not the click obviously) in your wedges as well.
Still this kind of sucks. We have this one part in a song where there is a sampled drumbeat that the bassist plays along to. Well, the soundguy decided to take the samples out of all our wedges. Needless to say they were on during soundcheck! The drummer has a little mix with which he can adjust the amount of click/back/rest of monitor mix from FOH with. He heard the samples just fine and thought the bassist heard them too. Of course the bassist was kinda off when the chorus hit again... Dammit, I want 30k for my live rig.
HeadCrusher
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Stereo mixes on a 6 aux board give you 3 independ mixes total. Not sure if that's enough. Depends on the band.
With the splitters you still need a monitor desk (as you said). The Allen & Heath WZ16:2³ DX can be rackmounted, has decent sound quality and direct outs so you can save money on those splitters.
Should you start a PM conversation I'd love to be included. Would be interesting to discuss some possible setups.
With the splitters you still need a monitor desk (as you said). The Allen & Heath WZ16:2³ DX can be rackmounted, has decent sound quality and direct outs so you can save money on those splitters.
Should you start a PM conversation I'd love to be included. Would be interesting to discuss some possible setups.
HeadCrusher
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Haha, oh well, you have no idea where I would be going with this! Triggers for all the drums, everything synced to a click from a laptop including backing tracks, AxeFX for guitars/bass, me doing the monitors myself... At FOH you'd really only have to push those faders up and 
Triggers for all the drums, everything synced to a click from a laptop including backing tracks, AxeFX for guitars/bass, me doing the monitors myself... At FOH you'd really only have to push those faders up and
HeadCrusher
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That's a good idea!
Well, I wouldn't really ask for stereo mixes but it would be really cool and with the 30k setup...
Well, I wouldn't really ask for stereo mixes but it would be really cool and with the 30k setup...
HeadCrusher
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Sorry Lasse!
haha, interesting read nonetheless....though I think most of you are overthinking stuff.
I don't care if I've got a shitty mix in my ears or on the wedges...the only difference is that when using in-ears I can have the same shitty mix all over the stage and not only in front of my wedge
I don't care if I've got a shitty mix in my ears or on the wedges...the only difference is that when using in-ears I can have the same shitty mix all over the stage and not only in front of my wedge
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To answer your question Lasse..
As an engineer - I did and use ears for a few bands.
Any set of ears will be "okay" - once you start spending money, then the quality gets better.. an analogy of the situation would be studio monitors and the price.
If you want to be wireless.. I would spend the money on the best packs / transmitters you can.
Ears you can upgrade over time but a great wireless pack won't fail you for years. Easy to set up (see above!) - and very easy to get a soundguy to sort you out with a half decent mix.
As an engineer - I did and use ears for a few bands.
Any set of ears will be "okay" - once you start spending money, then the quality gets better.. an analogy of the situation would be studio monitors and the price.
If you want to be wireless.. I would spend the money on the best packs / transmitters you can.
Ears you can upgrade over time but a great wireless pack won't fail you for years. Easy to set up (see above!) - and very easy to get a soundguy to sort you out with a half decent mix.
HeadCrusher
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Well the reason I mentioned mix quality was because if the mix in your ears sucks I can imagine that it's a little more difficult to hear stuff as a last resort. For example if the monitors suck I would just find a place on stage were I can hear the drums and the sound coming from my cab good enough to be able to play the right notes in time. In combination with noise reduction of ears and being blasted with a shitty mix of mud this might get difficult at times.
