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Final_Vision said:
Anytime someone tries to make a point about why they dont like it everyone jumps on them with "OMFG! WHO CARES IF THEY DONT DO GUITAR ORIENTED MUSIC ANYMORE! ANDERS IS MORE POWERFUL VOCALLY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!11". The people who dont like it are getting attacked more than people who actually like it.

The difference is, that people who like it are saying things like "I really like it! It has great atmosphere to it." or "It might not be old In Flames, but I still think it sounds great!"...where as the people who don't like it are saying "This is shitty nu-metal, fucking terrible..." or "In Flames sucks now, they are such a shitty band..."

Objectivity vs. Opinion......
 
Here is my OPINION. I THINK it is very obvious that In Flames have set down and planned out their course of musical direction very astutely. Reroute was "experimental" for them and due to its relative success they latched on to tours with bands such as Mudvayne, Soulfly, etc. They played their music to those fans of the bands that I PERSONALLY hate. I THINK that to say that they never sat down and actually listened to bands like Mudvayne and their ilk and saw their success is pretty naive. They know that this sound (downtuned guitars, whiney vocals, lack of solos, in a sense, mallcore) is alot more accessible than what they have been playing for awhile now. To say that they naturally evolved is in my OPINION, once again naive. The majority of logic and evidence points to a calculated move towards this new sound. Once again, this is all based on MY OPINION and MY THOUGHTS.

Ben
 
Ok, "The Quiet Place" this song has grown on me alot over the last 24hrs...here are the lyrics I got from the everdying forum, thanks to "Jester Head"...enjoy!


The Quiet Place - by Jester Head


It's spanning, further deeper
I know you're out to try me
im not in this to be your slave
push the dirt, make me feel
..........................................? world!

And then I close my eyes (and then I close my eyes!)

touch me now
used to be the faith to let it show, bow down!
a king in my own mind
everything's in place
so much better from today

drown the monsters
make all bad dreams go away
whatever takes to keep running free
........?
the quiet place
the bridges fall to the ground
you say you sacrificed! <-- best part of the song!

And then I close my eyes (and then I close my eyes!)

touch me now
used to be the faith to let it show, bow down!
a king in my own mind
everything's in place
so much better from today

(touch me now)
the king in my own life!!!
(touch me now)
the king in my own life!!! <--- Anders growls REALLY good here!



touch me now
used to be the faith to let it show, bow down!
a king in my own mind
everything's in place
so much better from today
a king in my own mind..
 
Nifelheim said:
DoReMi, don't you forget one thing? You see, Dark Tranquillity did change their music, and after that they "returned to the roots". Even if the didn't change so much. So, everyone hailed them for Damage Done, but if they were releasing the same album every time, would their fans and reviewers notice anything? No. They would bash them for doing the same thing over and over again. And if now IF do something like TJR everyone would say "hey, this is great". Got my point? You have to lose something to see how much you've really liked it.

Oh, I've got one more thing to tell you. Bands don't evolve. They change. There is a difference. As we all know, not all changes are for good...
I really don't see your logic if you used my post to build up an argument, considering that I mentioned how reviewers went wild over Colony and Clayman. You just can't deny the fact that R2R is sub-standard, and far from mind-blowing like the two aforementioned releases. I don't deny people enjoy it, for what it's worth. And I don't blame them or find it in any way wrong. We all have individual tastes, obviously. However, every album preceding Dark Tranquillity's Haven was given the thumbs up by the "metal communities" (don't know how else to say it), as was every album preceding In Flames' R2R. Sure, there were some people who refused to accept their direction. It's tough to please everyone. Carcass' Heartwork must have got so much shit from the diehard fans upon its release, and now it is heralded as a metal classic.

But, judging by recent posts, In Flames have chosen which path they wish to follow, disregarding the voicings of the majority of their fanbase. Fair enough, they can do what they want. But you cannot say that their recent albums are likely to be raised up to 'classic status', because the music isn't creative or interesting enough (I can't judge STYE yet because I haven't heard it). Dark Tranquillity (and from what I hear, Soilwork) acted and will act on their fans' response, and look where it is getting them. I have heard nothing but good things about Damage Done since its release (apart from John Chedsey's review). That says quite a lot.
 
Bozz said:
The part that all you "Hardcore Metal-Heads" are missing is that In Flames aren't making the music like "The Quiet Place" in order to appeal to "hot topic whores" or "mall-core kids".......they didn't sit down and say "Ok, well I want it to sound more like this instead of this..." - that's what a terrible musician and a terrible song-writer does. They sat down and wrote music naturally and it is an extension of them...that's what a good songwriter does. However, most of you are probably in no way musically talented and probably don't know a thing about music outside the hundred of bands you folow.
So what's stopping people from saying what they like and dislike? I play guitar. Not to blow my own trumpet, but I'm good. I've been making impressive progress over the past couple of years. Fucking thumbs up for me. I'm still in University doing a Biology degree. You think anyone gives a shit that I play guitar? I do it for myself, and it gives me little desire to look down on someone in a condescending manner because I think that it gives me some right to criticise music in a "know-how" manner. The fact is that you are generalising about quite a few people here who are disappointed with a band that they appreciate and enjoy for most probably the same reasons as you.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a HUGE fucking metal head...I keep up with the scene more than most people...however, I fucking hate it when other metal heads think a band has to be heavy as hell, and has to stay true to their Death Metal/Black Metal/Trash/"insert genre" roots.......fucking sickening.
You know, I like a lot of stuff. Katatonia and Green Carnation are hardly typical "metal"! And yet they have received a lot of press and appreciation from people who typically enjoy the genre (metal, that is). Why can't you just accept that people don't like this stuff because they think it's shit? (someone has already brought this one up) For fuck's sake, you can't rob people the right to an opinion. Sure, you have the immature pricks that just come here to start trouble, but the majority of people I've seen here have stated honest and decent opinions of what they think of In Flames' new output.
 
Final_Vision said:
Not really. He just didn't have the balls to reply because I fucked him from the get-go of my initial post. And not to be a prick, but if you're going to write one word sentences, you should make sure they are spelt correctly, or else you just look like a moron.

Well, what do you know...
 
New In Flames is just like any other In Flames except that they are exploring.... Would you have liked Whoracle, Colony, Clayman AND Reroute to Remain to sound EXACTLY like Jester Race. Me neither.

I love the new songs... It has everything I love about In Flames plus more, just like what each album has expanded on... The same idea just pushed further. If you were in a death metal band would you make the same fucking album over and over? Open your mind and enjoy more music then 1 fucking album.

This wasn't directed at anyone personally, just at the people who bitch about how shitty the new songs are, or whatever excuse comes up.
 
Yeah, sorry about that Vision.


As to The Bringer, I haven't heard the new songs yet. I'm looking forward to it, I confess. But my hopes are a little dashed.

Just a quick question on the side. In everyone's copy of Slaughter of the Soul, is there a faint 'click' in the opening riff of the title track by any chance? I scratched my CD whilst moving place...
 
I don't think the problem here is close-minded fans. I think the new stuff just sucks. R2R was better than this. Not as good as Clayman, but better than this.
 
You know, when those three songs from Anthems of Rebellion were played on the radio, I thought that it was disappointing. When I read the AE board messages saying that the rest of the album was better, and that the three songs actually complimented everything else, I thought it was the same old cliché: Fans trying to defend a (once excellent) band that no longer had anything going for them.


However, since buying the album and finding out that for the first time those words rang true (I'm willing to accept others not liking AoR), I've decided to keep an open mind on such matters. Remember that there are 10 other songs on the album.