Insane guitar tracking experience

[Ermz]

So, I've been tracking the rhythm guitars for the new Vanishing Point album with Chris, from the band. We were up to a heavy, typical 'djn, djn' section, and had just tracked two whole passes when I noticed something really weird.

One set of chugs was in almost complete mono. I wondered what happened... whether I'd accidentally hit record on the other track for a split second, or whether Cubase glitched etc. etc.

I decided to zoom in to take a closer look, and this is what I saw:

Those are two, discrete, individual, unedited takes. They were both struck so identically that not only were they perfectly in time, but they were perfectly in phase, with near identical waveforms, resulting in double tracking that sounded mono.

:zombie:

 

[Ola Englund]

yeah that can happen... the solution is to re-record and tell the guy to suck this time

 

[Derykus]

Happens once in a blue moon.

Tracking with different guitars comes in handy.

 

[Terminus]

Happens alot when you know how to play guitar.

 

[Mago]

haha yeah, can be a pretty strange "wtf?" moment when it happens the first time.
I think Erkan said something like he had that in every 2nd song during recording his album...I had that at 2 or 3 spots during recording rhythms too

 

[Soundlurker]

Yup, surprised you haven't noticed this being discussed in the forum before.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Yeah, this happens to me all the time.................

/sarcasm

 

[hoehlentroll]

couldn'T you just add like 20msec to one of the tracks instead of retracking?

 

[Melb_shredder]

^^ then it would just sound like a delay!
I've had this happen a few times here and there but yeah, retrace or ignore! Mostly retrack

 

[plague_rider]

yeah that can happen... the solution is to re-record and tell the guy to suck this time

This!!!

Happened when i was recording once... I thought I'd screwed something up...

Watch a guitarists ego grow when you tell him what he's just managed to do...

 

[osum]

"Sorry, you were too tight"

 

[~BURNY~]

"Sorry, you were too tight"

Found my new sig.

Also vagina jokes coming to mind.

 

[StefTD]

happend to me, too, and I suck soooo hard it was just random because I am not able to play in time
in tune or anything else you could play in.

 

[Harry Hughes]

I've seen the band live twice and yeah, not surprised at all. They can fucking PLAY.
Apparently this happens to Josh Middleton (the lead guitarist from the British thrash band Sylosis, he posts here every now and then) even with quad tracking.
I guess the solution would be to get the guitarist to drink two or three beers before they record particular riffs/sections

 

[hoehlentroll]

^^ then it would just sound like a delay!

not with 100%L and 100%R

 

[Red Phoenix]

That's tracking mono the cool way

 

[StefTD]

@hoehlentroll if you have two tracks that are the same, hardpan them and just shift one
about a few ms, it still sounds like a delay, just hard panned, it still sounds different.
tried it this way in the beginning and it never worked out, but I sucked to hard to record
the same thing two times

 

[Joshua Wickman]

Yea i have had this happen a bunch of times with bands. I tell them they played it to good when it happens. Makes them smile and feel good.

 

[Mago]

couldn'T you just add like 20msec to one of the tracks instead of retracking?

So why not just track it only one time and add like 20msec to on the the tracks?
No dual tracking needed....or?

Holy shit @ Josh

 

[Charles J]

thats seriously so scary close it's not even funny.... DAMN.

=D