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daylightdies.com
I thought this video did a good job. I'll note the obvious: less thrashy riffs and leads will show a far greater difference.
Is the sound really in the hands?
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Mago
Austrian Blech Machine
Great video Glenn!
As I said already on FB, would have been even cooler if the editing was more focused on the same parts, to make it easier to compare.
Overall I heared what I expected to hear in the vid.
When I think "tone is in the hands" it's not about if the player is good or not. That is mandatory to be able to make it sound good.
To me it shows, that above a certain level it's not about "better" sounding, but more "different" or maybe "more fitting".
If it was only a technical aspect on ability (like abt stated) we'd have a lot more Hetfields, Schaffers, Petruccis etc.., cause for sure there are a lot of guys having the technique down, but still don't sound "like xy player".
Also I don't really get what the gain has to do with this?
More gain doesn't make up for a unclean playing at all imo.
And since it's not meant to be viewed under blues-rock circumstances a crunch one wouldn't make a lot of sense here.
As I said already on FB, would have been even cooler if the editing was more focused on the same parts, to make it easier to compare.
Overall I heared what I expected to hear in the vid.
When I think "tone is in the hands" it's not about if the player is good or not. That is mandatory to be able to make it sound good.
To me it shows, that above a certain level it's not about "better" sounding, but more "different" or maybe "more fitting".
If it was only a technical aspect on ability (like abt stated) we'd have a lot more Hetfields, Schaffers, Petruccis etc.., cause for sure there are a lot of guys having the technique down, but still don't sound "like xy player".
Also I don't really get what the gain has to do with this?
More gain doesn't make up for a unclean playing at all imo.
And since it's not meant to be viewed under blues-rock circumstances a crunch one wouldn't make a lot of sense here.
Melb_shredder
Orpheus: Melodic Death
'Tone is in the hands' always makes me think that no matter what amp/ set up is used the person behind it will always make it suit their sound. For example, every time I play through someone else's rig, I always get, 'haha, you still make gear sound like Orpheus Omega tones'. That's just how I play, that's my sound, so that's what I understand 'tone is in the hands' to mean.
But this video made a few things blaringly obvious! Like the chords being in time or not. That's a big one for people I record
But this video made a few things blaringly obvious! Like the chords being in time or not. That's a big one for people I record
schwinginbatman
It's shittay!
Yeah, pretty much. In my band, the other guitarist and I have pretty different rigs, same cab but totally different guitars and heads. Once I tried his setup, and I was surprised just how much it still sounded like my tone. He and I have very different ways of playing, especially when it comes to palm-muting.
I'm happy that it's created such a large discussion. The main complaint on YT & FB has been "Turn the gain down" to which my reply is "Why? How could I possibly learn anything that way? I don't make low gain records."
Sorry, no Fender Twins in my studio.
The end result for me, on a personal level, was that this test forced me to re-evaluate how I record metal rhythm tone. On the project I did after this recording, I went way outside my comfort zone & tried some techniques that were quite a departure from my normal method of recording metal rhythm guitars. I wound up getting the best tone of my life!
Sorry, no Fender Twins in my studio.
The end result for me, on a personal level, was that this test forced me to re-evaluate how I record metal rhythm tone. On the project I did after this recording, I went way outside my comfort zone & tried some techniques that were quite a departure from my normal method of recording metal rhythm guitars. I wound up getting the best tone of my life!
Sloan
Sounds like shit!
I can put up an example after the project is complete. Let's just say, I really went bananas with the amp's EQ, dropped the Overdrive, and went with a dual mic configuration on my ENGL cab instead of the Mesa.... it gave me a really wonderful grinding snarl.
AntonioPetrole
Brootz
I can't believe how a lot of you guys don't think there is a big difference. The difference in the tone alone is pretty huge for just the player. Incorporate difference in cabs, amps, speakers, pickups, picks, mic position etc. it really shows how the recipe for a great guitar tone is really complex. Sure the actual playing style as far as palm muting etc is different, but the actual tone coming from the amp sounds different as well.
DanLights
Santa Hat Forever
It would be awesome if someone did a test where they had two guitar players: A seasoned pro, and someone who has been playing for a couple years or less, and them do two tests with each: one with an awesome guitar plugged into a world class amp, and one with a crappy 200$ guitar plugged into something lame like a Valveking or Crate amp or whatever. You would probably notice how buying the same gear that your idol has doesn't immediately give you his tone, and how good guitar players don't just sound good because they have nice gear, but because they can get good tone out of any piece of gear.
Awesome video Glenn!
Awesome video Glenn!
Keregioz
Kimon Zeliotis
I must agree with Mago, I found the editing really frustrating. You show one guitarist playing palm mutes and just when you're waiting to hear the exact same riff from another guitarist to really figure out the differences you have them playing chords.
bryan_kilco
Member
Actually, they all play the same parts, just at different times. Everyone plays palm mutes, everyone plays chords. Use the time slider if you want direct comparisons.
Keregioz
Kimon Zeliotis
Yes, I know, but wouldn't it make much more sense to have each part played by each guitarist side by side instead of trying to find them in the youtube time slider (which isn't that practical)? Especially since the sole purpose of the video is to compare subtle (for me at least) differences.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the video and I'm pretty sure it took quite a bit of time to make it, it just felt that that particular aspect was a wrong choice.
Alphanumeric
Member
There is a difference mostly in dynamics, attack and tightness and a little bit of tone, people who can tell the difference are deaf.
1st guy is by far the tightest, most even dynamics, lots of pick attack and sounds the most aggressive in the mids.
2nd guy picks a bit soft and is about as tight but it sounds bassier and with less presence
3rd guy and Glenn sound very similar, loose, lots of low mids in theirs and lots of high end noise.
1st guy is by far the tightest, most even dynamics, lots of pick attack and sounds the most aggressive in the mids.
2nd guy picks a bit soft and is about as tight but it sounds bassier and with less presence
3rd guy and Glenn sound very similar, loose, lots of low mids in theirs and lots of high end noise.
Really grateful for the response on this one! Still getting a lot of "you should have done it with leads" crap, but leads only make up a very small component of a record. I wanted to test what gives the record it's overall signature.
Truthfully, I think a lot of the flak I'm getting for my testing subject is due to the fact it's not confirming people's beliefs.
Truthfully, I think a lot of the flak I'm getting for my testing subject is due to the fact it's not confirming people's beliefs.
