It's how you play it!!!

[LydonB]

Oz you are making me curious about hearing this stuff!

 

[Mutant]

at least to Eb, if not lower

Thanks
I understand now.
With my 7 i can go as low as F without making strings too loose for good palm muting.

 

[JBroll]

Fucking hell, I don't feel right palm muting Bb with a 70. I need littler hands.

Jeff

 

[Glenn Fricker]

Yeah that is weird :Smug:

I'm not saying the guy I was tracking couldn't play he's quite good. I just had the amp set up to respond to my technique, I guess

I'm sure he was. In my case, it really doesn't matter what I set the amp to, it's still got that weird buzzing attack/mud sound.

Oz you are making me curious about hearing this stuff!

I'm under oath to never release even a sample or soundbyte until the album is finished & in the stores. I'd love to give you guys something, but I'm a man of my word.

-0z-

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

Yeah as far as the tone thing goes. I would rather have my own tone than some one elses. Even if others don't like it. It's the whole stand out from the croud thing. I think Dimebag (although I have stated before I don't like his tone) sounded so unique and god like.

 

[KeithRT99]

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I thought one of their records might be in standard, but wasn't sure.

At least now I know for sure that the tuning wasn't the issue. After all, there were some really goddamn heavy riffs on this record.

I stand corrected!

-0z-

The trick to getting that dimmu-esque thickness, is due to the fact that the bassist is playing a 5 string and the guitars are adding a note on the string below.
I suck with theory so bear with me: It's like they will play a power chord on A and D and invert the Note on the D string, making an octave below the "fundamental" root of the chord.

por ejemplo:

D-7
A-5
E-5

The bass then plays the root note on the B, which is in this case D, or the third fret.

add some heavy distortion and that's how they get their sound. I hope that was worth typing, and i hope it made sense.

 

[KeithRT99]

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=4703498&q=hi

here's a clip of the intro to progenies. I attempted to get close in tone to the original. It's almost there.

The Amp is a 5150 combo.

 

[Glenn Fricker]

Nice work, Keith! I kinda like yours better than the original. Sound cleaner.

I get what you're saying about the lower string thing: Makes sense & I've seen it done before. They could have applied a lot of that to thier record, but who am I to tell them how to write?

BTW: How in the fuck did you get those orchestral sounds? Those were fantastic.

-0z-

 

[KeithRT99]

BTW: How in the fuck did you get those orchestral sounds? Those were fantastic.

-0z-

thanks lol. They came with the DCA special edition. There's Also an orchestra track for eradication instincts defined.

 

[Glenn Fricker]

Ah fuck! Here I thought you stumbled across some amazing soft syth. Wishful thinking, I guess. Wasn't the orchestra an actual live thing?

-0z-

 

[Ben Johnson]

Digging into the strings with a medium gain tone is where it's at, as far as I'm concerned. "Tone is in the fingers" is definitely not a myth.

 

[lepersmeesa]

I completely understand where you are coming Oz. Have you tried playing one of his simpler riffs through the same amp and show him the difference so he can understand whats going on.

Also you keep on how amazing he is. He sounds like an amazing musician who is trying to play guitar using theorectical knowledge rather then actually learning how to play the guitar ( electric ). Obviously I could be wrong, but thats what it sounds to me. If it is true, then he has to realise that he needs to adapt his playing and has to practice through an amp. Just talk to him. A nice long talk till he breaks down in tears and you give him a pack of 10-52s and tell him to go forth and shred it up. You will be like his Yoda. Maybe not as strong, but extremely wise....and small and green

 

[Eduardo Apolonia]

Once I went with a guy to a music store to help him choose a new amp and every amp he tried sounded like shit. The problem wasn't the amps, was his fingers (the way he played).

 

[sparkyness]

OT: but...

Oz....I love the sig....you're obviously a warrior of Ghengis Khan too

 

[chadsxe]

I am not trying to start a argument or anything, but I just need speak my mind on the fact I don't believe "tuning lower" has as much of an effect on the perceived heaviness of something as most people think. I can't count the many arguments I have had with people about there ideas of "Dude, lets just tune down more, it will sound way heavier". The heaviness is not in the tuning, it is in the writing and attitude of the songs. There are so many albums that have been recorded at standard tuning that are heavy as fuck. DB's albums serve as a perfect example. When we are listening to a record do we ever say "damn this tuning is heavy as hell"? No, we say "Damn this record is heavy as hell". A lot of people equate the initial shock of playing there songs in a lower tuning to heaviness, but in the end if the song can't carry itself it still is not going to sound heavy.

 

[Black neon bob]

Ah fuck! Here I thought you stumbled across some amazing soft syth. Wishful thinking, I guess. Wasn't the orchestra an actual live thing?

-0z-

Yeah dude... i was thinking just the same!... at first i though Keith jammed on top of the original track... then the vocals did not kick, so i was hoping it was a GREAT sounding soft synth or something..

Makes me curious as well now... i really thought that dimmu used a real orchestra as well.

 

[Mutant]

so i was hoping it was a GREAT sounding soft synth or something..

My first thought: GPO

http://www.garritan.com/audio/

http://www.garritan.com/competition.html

 

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

They used a real orchestra, what makes you think the contrary ???

 

[flytrapx]

Sometimes it's good to use another band's sound for reference but I believe that each musician has his/her own "sound". And that is something you can't change. It's a product of your upbringing, philosophy, physical makeup, how your mind works, what you ate for breakfast, etc...
so to try and capture another sound seems futile because your trying to become that other guitarist. Sounds crazy but it's true.

Look at any great player and they have their own identity. They aren't going around copping other peoples stuff.

 

[Black neon bob]

They used a real orchestra, what makes you think the contrary ???

Well, seeing as how Keith put drums, bass, and guitars on that track (i think) while the orchestra is an added track, im thinking all of that is recorded on a click track...

and a entire orchestra recorded on a clicktrack is quite new to me, and seems hard to achieve...

Let's just say we were hoping that it was a synth