Just for fun...for now /evilgrin

[GeertSamuel]

Really really nice man. Give it a try. Rely on other people about what you need more . I'm not that much of a tech-wizzard although I'm also about to buy 2 nice Octopre LE's....and also another Motu 1224...
Anyway...I've read really good things about the octopre, no bad things or whatever.

Anyway good luck with all the ideas all the best!!

 

[006]

I actually switched it to 3 of the OctoPre LE's instead of using any of the PreSonus stuff altogether. I'm saving a ton of money doing that. I think I'm going to go with the Avalon VT737-sp tube preamp for vocals. I have worked with OctoPres before, I like the preamps that it has. So I'll stick with what I know there. Plus it has 8 TRS inputs on the front of the unit too, so if I needed that option, it's there. I like the OctoPre more anyway...Besides, I would rather have 24 preamps that sound exactly alike, rather than 3 sets of 8 preamps that are totally different. Thats just me though...

Now I have to figure out my power situation. Figuring out the patch bay configurations for everything was really fun earlier this morning, lol. I had to start over like 3 times, got so bungled up and confused. Finally got it though, thankfully. Now I can route any signal to anywhere I want very easily. Which is what I was aiming for. Hmm...what else should I figure in here...

~006

 

[006]

Alright, another day of mixing, so I'll be toying around with my evil plan all day again. I have an updated list so far:

-Custom built PC (rackmount)
-ETA System PD series power conditioning/surge protection (3 of these, I need 18 power plugs total, yikes!)
-MOTU 24 i/o interface
-Focusrite OctoPre LE (3 of these)
-Reamp
-Sony Vegas 6.0
-Drumagog
-Waves Platinum Native bundle
-Mackie Control Universal (DAW control surface)
-Mackie Big Knob
-Mackie HR824a (mixing only)
-Event Tuned Reference 8" active (for abuse/tracking only)
-Sennheiser HD280Pro headphones (7 of these)
-Furman HDS-6 headphone distro
-Furman HR-6 headphone mix station (2 of these, drummers and vocalists are picky, let them make their own mix!)
-Mackie HM54 headphone distro (for everyone else, )
-Neumann TLM103
-Shure SM57 (4 of these, guitar, snare, tennis shoe mic'ing, etc.)
-Audix i5 (guitars, pizza mic'ing)
-Shure Beta52
-Sennheiser e609 (1, guitars)
-Sennheiser e906 (guitar/tom mic)
-Sennheiser e904 (4, with clamps, tom mics)
-Shure KSM32 (overheads)
-Rode NT2-A
-Rode NT5 matched pair (acoustic guitars/ride/hats)
-DDrum RedShot kick drum trigger
-Drawmer Six-Pack (2, for drum comp/gate/lim)
-Avalon VT737-sp (for vocals only)
-M-Audio TAMPA (for direct bass, it's awesome trust me)
-Focusrite Compounder (for fun)
-dbx passive 48pt patch bay (3 of these, fun routing options )


Hmm...that *should* cover it. Also, I threw in a PODxt Pro to have in the rack so that I can track unprocessed guitars to reamp later. I own a PODxt Live, but it doesn't have an unprocessed out, unfortunately.

Also, I already own an Ibanez TS9 and several guitars for any style of music. Several amplifiers (5150, Dual Recto, PowerBall, JCM800 2203) and a couple of good cabs (Mesa Traditional 4x12 w/ v30's, Marshall 1960a 4x12 ????). Should I also get a Maxon OD pedal just to have in there? Or I wonder I bought an A/B box like the Morley A/B/Y, would I even have to get the PODxt Pro...I could just use the splitter to record the unprocessed guitars...does that even work though?

~006

 

[LynchpiN]

Should I also get a Maxon OD pedal just to have in there?~006

You bet.

Congrats, that's a great setup!

 

[006]

Cool, ok but would the Morley A/B/Y thing work? As in, I have the guitar plugged into the box, and then I split that signal to go to the PODxt Live, and the other signal to the DAW (unprocessed). Then take the unprocessed track that I recorded from the Morley, and send it to the Reamp, and to an amplifier. Would the signal be recorded correctly for the Reamp? Or would I have to boost/lower the signal...or would it not work at all? I've never tried this, we always use the unprocessed out from the PODxt Pro here to send to the Reamp.

~006

 

[006]

Also, Maxon pedal choice...OD-9, OD808, or OD820? I am assuming that the OD9 is like my TS9, and the OD808 is like the original TubeScreamer from back in the day...but what about the 820? Which one!?!?! GAH! SO MANY PEDALS!!!

~006

 

[Nostalgiaplatz]

Why Event Tuned Reference 8 just for tracking? can't you track it with the ones you're going to use for Mixing? or are you seperating stuff?

 

[006]

Well, the Mackies are going to cost $1,260 for the pair. The Event ones are $500 for the pair. Usually, you crank up the music loud when tracking in the control room, it helps the musicians get into it, plus if the band is badass, you want to crank it. Now, I know not to go too loud so that I preserve my hearing, but I push it sometimes. For mixing, you keep it lower. Much lower. And for that reason, I would rather have a seperate pair of monitors to take all the abuse of being cranked and having loud music pass through them, that way if they blow, and those will blow before the mixing monitors for sure, I'm not having to spend $1300 on a new pair every time they blow. The mixing monitors will be around much longer, so you spend more on those in the first place.

It's just more cost effective that way, in my opinion. Besides, if I have to replace the tracking monitors, I could use the mixing ones to cover me until I can pick up a new set of cheap ones to replace them. Make sense now?

Plus, the Mackies are really flat monitors. The Event ones aren't really that close, so I would rather mix on something that has a much more flat response, to accurately mix of course. I don't want to have to remember "oh yeah, the Event's have that midrange boost, so I have to make sure to cut 500Hz" everytime I mix. Instead, I can just mix, and be confident that it will translate the right way on other systems.

~006

 

[LynchpiN]

Would the signal be recorded correctly for the Reamp? Or would I have to boost/lower the signal...or would it not work at all?

Never used the Morley, but the question here is if it's true bypass. No need to boost or lower the recorded signal.

Why Event Tuned Reference 8 just for tracking? can't you track it with the ones you're going to use for Mixing?

I believe he wants to save his mixing monitors from being cranked. Not a bad idea at all.

Also, Maxon pedal choice...OD-9, OD808, or OD820? I am assuming that the OD9 is like my TS9, and the OD808 is like the original TubeScreamer from back in the day...but what about the 820? Which one!?!?! GAH! SO MANY PEDALS!!!

Hahaha, I've used only the 808 so I can't compare, but as far as I remember people here in this forum tends to prefer it.

 

[LynchpiN]

Actually, I build myself the monitors I use for cranking, good and wildly cheap. I know, sounds like something McGyver would do, but all you need are good car speakers (some of them have a response very close to the NS10's): 2x 6/8 pol. midbass and 2x 1 pol. tweeters. Build 8/9 liter cabs with 18mm MDF, paying attention to coil aligning.

Need something to amplificate it, but if you have a cheap power amp lying around as I do you can save some bucks. But that's not your case anyway.

 

[006]

Done! 808 it is then. Alright, I believe I have a full setup now. I have more i/o than I can shake a stick at, more than I should really need, even if I'm tracking an entire band at once. And all good quality mics and processing, a lot of class A stuff. Now I just need to find a building, or find out how much it is to build one, or get a house, and convert it (total cost), and then I can go to the governor's office here in Texas and try to get the grant for small businesses. If not...then I need to work my ass off, and in 300 years of saving, I should be able to get it easily. Or really get somebody that knows their stuff to help me put together everything to try to get a loan from somewhere for this stuff. Fun fun fun! Hopefully I have a convincing business plan to pass the state's grant requirements.

From what I understand, all I really need to do is have a well put-together plan, reasonable cost qoute, and show the reasons why I would flourish here in San Antonio, over the competition. I think if I can match or beat this studios prices on booking, and offer better quality, and since I have a pretty well established name for myself around here, that should be enough right there to prove I could survive out here. Hopefully...

~006

 

[silverwulf]

Also, Maxon pedal choice...OD-9, OD808, or OD820? I am assuming that the OD9 is like my TS9, and the OD808 is like the original TubeScreamer from back in the day...but what about the 820? Which one!?!?! GAH! SO MANY PEDALS!!!

~006

I've never tried the 820, but I've owned the TS-9, OD-808, and the OD-9. The OD-9 is actually true bypass, where as the others aren't. I preferred the OD-808 overall. You can't wrong with any of them.

 

[006]

Sweet.

~006

 

[006]

So hey, Silverwulf, you seem to know alot about the business end of things involving state and federal requirements, do you have AIM so I can talk a few things over with you?

~006

 

[Matt Crooks]

To stay open, you'd have to show a profit also. After 3 years of not showing a profit (and not many businesses do within there first few years), the IRS won't consider you a business anymore and pretty much will shut you down.

That is 100% not true. I've asked my accountant about this and there is no truth to the statement at all.

 

[006]

True or not, it does make sense. I mean...after 3 years, you show no profit...Fuck, I would shut MYSELF down, lol. If I can go through the loops and get the state grant(s), I will be making nothing BUT profit, since the money wouldn't be out of pocket, or loans to pay back. This is the ideal route I would like to take, but I need to have everything in perfect order for them to consider me at all. The state has TONS of cash laying around for crap like this, but I recently found out that nobody really realizes it. I need somebody to help me with the business end of it, concerning the grant requirements. If I can get it, I'll make sure to throw in a guitar amplifier for the grant qoute and throw it to whomever gets me in! Whooooo wants a Framus/5150/Recififer/PowerBall???? I swear!

~006

 

[LynchpiN]

Oh god.

Send it to me and I swear that I'll study Texas law 24/7.

 

[006]

Oh I meant if I get the grant. As in, I would throw whatever guitar amp you want on the list and explain it as a necessary item, in case the bands don't have a good amp to use, I mean...I do want to produce good quality recordings, it would help

~006

 

[silverwulf]

That is 100% not true. I've asked my accountant about this and there is no truth to the statement at all.

Well, I may have been a little dramatic in my statement. It's not like they would come in and start repossessing gear or anything... It's left to the whim of the IRS basically. They have the ability to apply one of two rules: the "1 in 3" or "2/3 in 5" rule. What it basically means is that if you don't make a profit in at least 1 of the first 3 years, or in at least 2-3 of the first 5 years (you can extent this to 5 - even 7 I think - by filling out Form 5213, I believe), the IRS has the ability to remove your business status and reclassify you as a hobby instead. Once they do that, you're no longer an official business any longer and the business deductions from the previous years become disallowed, which means you could also be liable for all the back taxes and penalties.

 

[unsilpauly]

Well, the Mackies are going to cost $1,260 for the pair. The Event ones are $500 for the pair. Usually, you crank up the music loud when tracking in the control room, it helps the musicians get into it, plus if the band is badass, you want to crank it. Now, I know not to go too loud so that I preserve my hearing, but I push it sometimes. For mixing, you keep it lower. Much lower. And for that reason, I would rather have a seperate pair of monitors to take all the abuse of being cranked and having loud music pass through them, that way if they blow, and those will blow before the mixing monitors for sure, I'm not having to spend $1300 on a new pair every time they blow. The mixing monitors will be around much longer, so you spend more on those in the first place.

It's just more cost effective that way, in my opinion. Besides, if I have to replace the tracking monitors, I could use the mixing ones to cover me until I can pick up a new set of cheap ones to replace them. Make sense now?

Plus, the Mackies are really flat monitors. The Event ones aren't really that close, so I would rather mix on something that has a much more flat response, to accurately mix of course. I don't want to have to remember "oh yeah, the Event's have that midrange boost, so I have to make sure to cut 500Hz" everytime I mix. Instead, I can just mix, and be confident that it will translate the right way on other systems.

~006

the events are really good monitors for both tracking and mixing. i really like them alot. the mackies are good as well. if i were you id check out the new dynaudios bm5a's, id put them up against the mackies any day. i bet you can also get just as good a mix with the events as with the mackies anyway, even with tracking abuse. electronis musician put the events tr8xls over the mackies in their under 1000.00 monitor shoot-out. i know those are biased but im sure mackie spends more on advertising than event does with electronic musician and mix so go figure. id really see what is gonna work in what ever room you are gonna build which still remains to be seen.
anyway it is a killer list and youll do fine with any of it. i know my next monitors are gonna be the dynaudios, they sound soooooo good . anyway, im in the same boat as you right now, stockpiling and figuring out gear to build my own comercial project studio. its fun trying to figure it all out.