Kiss my ass Joey Tempest...

[TheWhisper]

Well, I haven't been on this thread in a few days, but can I just say 'ditto' to everything Pellaz wrote. I couldn't have said it better, or any different, had I written his posts myself.

Enviro-wackos don't want to 'save' the earth...their real agenda is to destroy the US economy. That is why they're so pissed off that we won't sign the Kyoto Treaty, which would have done just that.

fightin the good fight for such intangible things as "freedom" and "justice"

Holy shit you have got to be kidding me...right? You forgot to mention liberty, as well, that's an intangible thing too. Some would rather be slaves, as long there is peace and security, than fight to be free. Peace at any price, eh? This quote from Dostoevsky's 'The Grand Inquisitor' seems rather appropriate here:

"In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, 'Make us your slaves, but feed us."

And have fun driving all those needless gas guzzling SUVs and Hummers after gas prices exceed 3 dollars a gallon. I will seriously laugh my fucking ass off if it ever gets as high as it is in Europe (the equivilant of 5 dollars a gallon).

You do realize that gas prices, adjusted for inflation, were much higher under the Carter administration...right? The reason the gas prices are high is because of the enviro-weenies. There is something like 50 some-odd different blends of gas that have to be manufactuered. Add to that fact, we haven't built a new refinery in this country since the early-mid 70's(because of the enviro's) and you have high prices...supply and demand, it's the first tenent of ecomnomics. Not enough refineries to handle the demand for the volumes of gas and all the different, specialized blends they have to produce.

If politicians stand up to the eviro's, build more refineries and reduce the number of blends of gasoline, the supply would be there to meet the demand...and prices would drop...simple economics.

 

[TheWhisper]

I get the impression that if AL Qaeda had hit Berlin on 9/11/01, the attitude would have been "What's the point? We won't win anyway, even if we do fight."

You saw what happened in Spain after the attack on the train. The voters gave in to terrorism.

 

[Yngvai X]

Enviro-wackos don't want to 'save' the earth...their real agenda is to destroy the US economy. That is why they're so pissed off that we won't sign the Kyoto Treaty, which would have done just that.

Well crap, you saw right through me. All I really want to see is the economy crumble...I have absolutely ZERO concern for the earth, and for the direction the short sightedness of the human race has it heading. I stand fucking corrected.

Holy shit you have got to be kidding me...right? You forgot to mention liberty, as well, that's an intangible thing too. Some would rather be slaves, as long there is peace and security, than fight to be free.

And some would rather settle for an illusion of freedom than actual freedom.

 

[TheWhisper]

Well crap, you saw right through me. All I really want to see is the economy crumble...I have absolutely ZERO concern for the earth, and for the direction the short sightedness of the human race has it heading. I stand fucking corrected.

I said enviro-whackos, and didn't make mention to you specifically if I re-read my post correctly, really want the fall of the US economy. So, if you don't consider yourself a whacko, you were not the target of my quote. My target was the big environmental groups and those who belong to or align themselves with them. Greenpeace, Earth Liberation Front(ELF), Earth First...these 'people'.

I will ammend my statement by saying that it is not only the US economy, but those of all capitalist western nations, they would like to see fall. It just so happens that the US is the world's leader in capitalism. These people are anti-capitalists at heart. They oppose exploration for new sources of oil, not out of a true concern for the environment, but because they recognize that oil is one of the primary fuels for the engine of free commerce, and they want that engine shut down.

Let me give you an example. A couple of years ago there was a rash of wildfires, in California and Michigan, for which the ELF claimed credit. It has been estimated that the ELF in America has caused over $45 million dollars in damage to private property, private residences, luxury homes and the like, since '97. On the ELF website, around this time, you could find an article called, "Setting Fires with Electrical Times – an Earth Liberation Front Guide". Also on their site was this statement, "The ELF realizes the profit motive caused and reinforced by the capitalist society is destroying all life on this planet." I think that makes my point for me very nicely. I wonder if they thought about the eco-damage they were doing by the fires they set...oh yeah, that's called logic and reason, of which these peole are devoid.

For these people, it isn't about the environment, it is about a political agenda to destroy the capitalist pigs. That, also, is the whole reason for the 'global warming' myth...it's a red herring...junk science.

 

[chibitotoro]

I said enviro-whackos, and didn't make mention to you specifically if I re-read my post correctly, really want the fall of the US economy. So, if you don't consider yourself a whacko, you were not the target of my quote. My target was the big environmental groups and those who belong to or align themselves with them. Greenpeace, Earth Liberation Front(ELF), Earth First...these 'people'.

I will ammend my statement by saying that it is not only the US economy, but those of all capitalist western nations, they would like to see fall. It just so happens that the US is the world's leader in capitalism. These people are anti-capitalists at heart. They oppose exploration for new sources of oil, not out of a true concern for the environment, but because they recognize that oil is one of the primary fuels for the engine of free commerce, and they want that engine shut down.

Conspiracy theorists are funny.

 

[TheWhisper]

Conspiracy theorists are funny.

I really hate to quote my own post but...
"The ELF realizes the profit motive caused and reinforced by the capitalist society is destroying all life on this planet."

 

[Yngvai X]

I really hate to quote my own post but...
"The ELF realizes the profit motive caused and reinforced by the capitalist society is destroying all life on this planet."

I have my problems with greenpeace, I think they're full of shit. Was not really familiar with ELF, but they sound like they're full of shit too. Basically I have a problem with large organizations like these simply because I believe corruption is inevitable once you get to a certain point. Like I said in an earlier post...I'm an individualist. I don't trust any politicians, large corperations, etc. because to me, these are people that are so corrupt with greed that they'll do anything just to have more, including dick you and me over royally. The only people I trust are myself and very few close friends.

 

[adaher]

You saw what happened in Spain after the attack on the train. The voters gave in to terrorism.

Could be, but the theory that they were just punishing Aznar for trying to make it out to be an ETA attack also has validity.

I sure hope they didn't do it because they were scared. Of course, that's how the terrorists interpreted it, so I guess no matter what it's hurt us.

 

[chibitotoro]

I really hate to quote my own post but...
"The ELF realizes the profit motive caused and reinforced by the capitalist society is destroying all life on this planet."

Yeah, I read that, but you also made some pretty big leaps in your argument, and some absurdly broad generalizations.

But really, so has everyone in this thread, so I shouldn't be singling you out.

 

[Pellaz]

I have my problems with greenpeace, I think they're full of shit. Was not really familiar with ELF, but they sound like they're full of shit too. Basically I have a problem with large organizations like these simply because I believe corruption is inevitable once you get to a certain point. Like I said in an earlier post...I'm an individualist. I don't trust any politicians, large corperations, etc. because to me, these are people that are so corrupt with greed that they'll do anything just to have more, including dick you and me over royally.

I don't trust Big Environment because -- guess what? -- they also have a profit motive. Without donations, they DIE. They have the ultimate vested interest in making the public believe that, truthfully or not, We Are All In Danger, But Send Us $50 And We'll Try To Save the Earth. Meanwhile, they hire lawyers -- not scientists -- to fight costly lawsuits instead of conducting actual research.

I'm not a huge fan of large corporations, but at least they produce something (whether it be electrical power, or automobiles, or whatever), and are subject to the laws of supply and demand. For the environmental charities, many of which spend over 15% of their revenue on administrative expenses and salaries, their only product is a lot of hot air...and a bunch of wealthy lawyers.


Why are environmentalists up in arms over the high price of gasoline? Whenever I hear one complaining, and blaming George Bush and some sort of evil right-wing corporate conspiracy, I have to laugh out loud. After all, high fuel prices should be any environmentalist's wet-dream: the higher prices go, the more people will start taking public transportation, cutting back on trips, combining errands and carpooling. In short, people would be doing exactly what the enviros have been begging everyone to do for YEARS!

If George W. Bush were truly to blame, as they claim, they should be building STATUES to him!

 

[Mattias the Bitch Boy]

One thing I love about this country is that we can take criticism.

LOOOOOOLLLL!!!! Best post ever in a thread written by an American threatening to kill all Swedes because Tempestboy said "America is IHMO only the second greatest country in the world ever, I personally prefer living in Sweden." But I'm sure you were just being cleverly sarcastic. You better have been.

Anyway, my 2 cents on this issue, which I'm sure you all want me to share, is that all Americans are cunts (thanks for reminding me bobboy!). There are no exceptions to this rules. All Americans! Not a single god damn non-cuntish American exists. Cunts, every single one of them. No exceptions to be found anywhere from New York to Alaska. CUNTS! ALL OF THEM! Except Glenn Harvestboy of course... that goes without saying!

 

[ashaman7122]

Well...

After going away for a long weekend, I came back to find that this thread was still going strong, much to my dismay. Then I realized that we were a contender, and I got excited. We have the chance to crush the post-counts from the Gigantour thread and, especially, the Women of Powerfest thread (lame)...both of which are slowly fading into oblivion.

Now--all of a sudden--you fuckers run out of your bloated political opinions. What the hell is wrong with you? Where's your patriotic vigor? We could have gone the distance!

Oh well...I should really get to work anyway. That South Texas oil isn't going to drill itself, you know...

Thanks for nothing.

Rock on!

 

[adaher]

So is there anyone here who is outraged about flushing a Koran?

Or are you more outraged that people would riot over it?

I'm firmly in the latter camp. It's not like you can stop people in this country from insulting whoever's religion they feel like.

 

[Pellaz]

I'm more outraged that Newsweek printed a false story, thereby causing unnecessary deaths. Gee, guys, thanks for belatedly retracting it. Naturally the story of the retraction was buried on page A6 of the Atlanta paper.

Would the last competent editor at any of this nation's big newsweeklies, or big-city dailies, please turn the light off when you leave? I find this lack of journalistic competence....disturbing.

 

[adaher]

How were they to know? They are responsible for printing a story without adequate sourcing, but they are not responsible for the deaths.
Civilized people don't expect others to resort to violence over stuff like that.

 

[metal71]

So is there anyone here who is outraged about flushing a Koran?

Or are you more outraged that people would riot over it?

I'm firmly in the latter camp. It's not like you can stop people in this country from insulting whoever's religion they feel like.

It is now being widely reported that the koran was never actually flushed. It appears that was an 'embelishment' by Newsweek a reporter, based on an incident in which a detainee, in protest, tried to flood his cell by plugging the toilet with pages ripped from his own copy of the koran (goven to him by the US military, I might add). That incident HAS been confirmed, while the incident in which a US soldier allegedly placed a koran ON TOP of a toilet seat is being disputed for lack of evidence, and an apparently overzealous reporter trying to sensationalize for the sake of magazine sales.

And 17 deaths as a result. Thanks, Newsweek.

 

[adaher]

If I flush a Koran and the word gets out, will it start another riot?

 

[mitthrawnuruodo]

I'll flush Korans with you, heck I'll be equal opportunity and flush Bibles and Torahs. Seriously that riot has to be the most retarded thing I've heard all week.

 

[Joe-×]

i'm outraged that newsweek caved to government pressure and retracted what is most likely a true story.

 

[adaher]

I'll flush Korans with you, heck I'll be equal opportunity and flush Bibles and Torahs. Seriously that riot has to be the most retarded thing I've heard all week

Man, that's no fun. You can never get a good riot going with Jews and Christians.

Maybe if you can get gas prices to go beyond $3/gallon, we might get a good one going.