Loosing snare attack when limiting!

Im using a multi band compressor and waves L2 limiter on the stereo out and it takes all the attack away from the snare. :mad:
The limiter hasnt got an attack so i cant set it a bit later.
Any tips would be greatly apprieciated :)

mike


Don't use an L2. Try diffrent methods. Seriously the L2 is know for destroying well balanced mixes; espically the snare.
 
I use a compressor and L3.......but lightly on the Limiter...no more than like -4 or -5 db at the max!:kickass:

But I may start trying some Timeworks Compressors and Limiters.......I hear they are better than Waves stuff.:u-huh:
 
I use a compressor and L3.......but lightly on the Limiter...no more than like -4 or -5 db at the max!:kickass:

But I may start trying some Timeworks Compressors and Limiters.......I hear they are better than Waves stuff.:u-huh:

-4/-5 db of reduction? Or of gain make up. Otherwise put is the red jumping down that much in the meter? Only reason why I ask is because that usually seems to above that "kill zone". It also starts adding some nasty high end stuff that bothers me.
 
Lately I found out that a limiter would kill your snare attack most of the times, because the transient is way more pronounced on snare than on any other instrument (guitars/bass/vocals), so the limiter tends to kill that attack to have all peaks at the same "height".
So I just use L2 (last plug in of the mastering chain) to avoid clippings in conjunction with a linear multiband (waves LMB) or a multiband compressor (c4) to push the mix higher, turning up the gain just on these ones, this way the multiband pushes down the nasty frequencies that are trying to pop out more than the others so you got a balanced mix that it's louder, pay attention this way it's easy to have clippings if you turn the gain knob too high even if you put a limiter after the multiband.
Stop using L2 as you brick-wall limiter, use it just to avoid clippings and you'll be a much more happy man!
 
Lately I found out that a limiter would kill your snare attack most of the times, because the transient is way more pronounced on snare than on any other instrument (guitars/bass/vocals), so the limiter tends to kill that attack to have all peaks at the same "height".
So I just use L2 (last plug in of the mastering chain) to avoid clippings in conjunction with a linear multiband (waves LMB) or a multiband compressor (c4) to push the mix higher, turning up the gain just on these ones, this way the multiband pushes down the nasty frequencies that are trying to pop out more than the others so you got a balanced mix that it's louder, pay attention this way it's easy to have clippings if you turn the gain knob too high even if you put a limiter after the multiband.
Stop using L2 as you brick-wall limiter, use it just to avoid clippings and you'll be a much more happy man!

This is the exact same way i use waves's L2 as well.. there is hardly any snare loss now...

Also, i use R-comp on my mastering bus, and let that level out the entire mix itself a bit... really brings out those drums and especially the snare.. it just pushes back the nasty freqs on all other instruments and let's the kick and snare sound more upfront just how i like it...