The use of limiters in modern metal....

[greyskull]

I do notice a major difference, between "reasonably loud" and "loud as fuck." Usually the kick drum suffers the most.... even after pre-emphasising it during mixdown. It just seems to die.

use the sneap kick sample. it cuts through the mix like a knife!!

 

[cobhc]

Great post st! Yeh it seems the snare gets lost, yet in time works it stays fairly high. heres a link to the processors

http://www.sonictimeworks.com/products.php

bastards!! the mastering compressor is only for directx, meaning i can't use it in PT

 

[Mato Barla]

I found one recording which have -6 db RMS and drums are still good and not flat sounding. It was on System of a Down - Toxicity. I hate Rick Rubin. How he did it?

 

[~BURNY~]

-6db rms? Are you sure? If it's true, that's totally absurd.:zombie:

 

[Mato Barla]

May be it was only -6,8 db RMS but this value also suprised me.

 

[KelThuz]

-6db rms? Are you sure? If it's true, that's totally absurd.:zombie:

not necesarilly! A great engineer will achieve such high levels without distortion. It's the distortion produced by the limiter, which accounts for that shitty sound of drums etc., and this distortion occurs when the tracks are not EQed of any obsolete high-amplitude ranges, especially bass, which can really drive limiter crazy. That's the art of mastering and mixing as well - to carve the tracks in such a way that they will gel into a loud as hell monolith even after insane limiting

 

[~BURNY~]

not necesarilly! A great engineer will achieve such high levels without distortion. It's the distortion produced by the limiter, which accounts for that shitty sound of drums etc., and this distortion occurs when the tracks are not EQed of any obsolete high-amplitude ranges, especially bass, which can really drive limiter crazy. That's the art of mastering and mixing as well - to carve the tracks in such a way that they will gel into a loud as hell monolith even after insane limiting

My point was: Do we need this?



...nope

 

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

The loudest Cd I've found so far is "Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia" by Dimmu Borgir, hitting around -7db RMS... Insane...

 

[EtherForBreakfast]

The loudest Cd I've found so far is "Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia" by Dimmu Borgir, hitting around -7db RMS... Insane...

Love me that album.

 

[GeertSamuel]

I never have the problem with a bass drum, but with the snare...constantly...
So I guess I need to have a good read here