I'm sure at some point in UM history someone has posted about this book..but I have recently discovered it and I must say...black metal in it's birth stage was quite serious and EVIL!!!...It's got all sorts of interesting facts though..how black metal was started to be the exact opposite of the hardcore bands who were moral and tried to see things in a justifiable and straight edged manner..and they bred themselves to be the ant-moral establishment of music...killer stuff. Check it out if you get the chance.
Lords of Chaos
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varg9
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Black metal was born in the early 80's in England. Not in the late 80's or early 90's in Norway. The non-musical things that took place in Norway however seem to blow the scene's popularity to ridiculous proportions while essentially there are/were just a couple of bands worth of mentioning.
The book sucks also. Totally inaccurate. The norwegian black metal type was created as a strikeback for death metal that was becoming the next major trend in metal back then. And that's only the top of the iceberg.
Dead Winter
STAHP
I've read all of Lords of Chaos, and alot of it is speculative. It's a great book, but books like these are NOT absolute. Don't read this book thinking it is the be-all-end-all of black metal. The only people who know what really happened are either dead or in jail...except for Samoth and Ihsahn and a couple of others. Varg Vikernes is worse than a Jesus freak. He preaches and preaches about how the world should be, then changes his mind every couple of years. Such irony...the thing he most despised is the thing he became. All it is is interviews, that's it, with a little background information on the scene. Again, how many times has Varg changed his story, and his mind? What a moron.
Another thing that I thought was interesting was that there are alot of black metal bands with very prominent families. It's really easy to be evil and dark when you've got mom and dad forking over cash like candy. It's easy to have all that free time when you're a spoiled little child in your twenties. In my opinion, norwegian black metal was spawned out of boredom and lack of attention. The interviews with Emperor and Ulver are by far the most well-versed, comprehensive interviews that actually stand out. Everyone else was trying soooo hard to be so evil that it was silly. Euronymous wouldn't give interviews because he wanted to remain mysterious. Get off your high horse, Mayhem wasn't that great. On the other hand, Ihsahn and Garm were just like, "Hey, this is who we are. This is the life we want to lead. We're not into killing people and trying to be as evil as the next guy." In fact, Ihsahn said that he was generally a really happy person, who loved life. He doesn't like being moody and mean and trying to be evil.
Another funny thing was that Varg's birth name was Kristian, LOL!!!!!! What an idiot. He had good artistic vision, but Burzum-the-one-man-band was painfully simplistic. You might have been innovative, but Emperor outshined you by far.
Another thing that I thought was interesting was that there are alot of black metal bands with very prominent families. It's really easy to be evil and dark when you've got mom and dad forking over cash like candy. It's easy to have all that free time when you're a spoiled little child in your twenties. In my opinion, norwegian black metal was spawned out of boredom and lack of attention. The interviews with Emperor and Ulver are by far the most well-versed, comprehensive interviews that actually stand out. Everyone else was trying soooo hard to be so evil that it was silly. Euronymous wouldn't give interviews because he wanted to remain mysterious. Get off your high horse, Mayhem wasn't that great. On the other hand, Ihsahn and Garm were just like, "Hey, this is who we are. This is the life we want to lead. We're not into killing people and trying to be as evil as the next guy." In fact, Ihsahn said that he was generally a really happy person, who loved life. He doesn't like being moody and mean and trying to be evil.
Another funny thing was that Varg's birth name was Kristian, LOL!!!!!! What an idiot. He had good artistic vision, but Burzum-the-one-man-band was painfully simplistic. You might have been innovative, but Emperor outshined you by far.
Have you listened to Filosofem? I would not say that burzum was in any way "painfully simplistic" as you say, "Jesus Tod" for me is Classic.
Silent Goat, it is said that a lot of stuff put in L.o.C is in fact incorrect, but as "thrashmetal" said the only people who really know are in prison or dead, but a lot of stuff said mostly by Varg people dispute as he has a reputation for being a story teller.
A lot of people dont like the man as he is not afraid to speak out about what he believes, i have had this argument with people time and time again, everyone is entitled to there own opinions
fascist or not , you cant silence someone because there views are seen to be non PC, that in itself is a form of fascism!
He will be released in a few years, maybe he will write a book about it , now that would be very intresting!
A lot of people dont like the man as he is not afraid to speak out about what he believes, i have had this argument with people time and time again, everyone is entitled to there own opinions
fascist or not , you cant silence someone because there views are seen to be non PC, that in itself is a form of fascism!
He will be released in a few years, maybe he will write a book about it , now that would be very intresting!
That's probably one of the stupidest sayings ever. It's not like the two bands even played similar kind of black metal and Emperor moved away from black metal rather quickly.
Whatever you say, but without Mayhem most of the bands that we know as norwegian black metal bands (Darkthrone, Emperor, Immortal, Dissection, all of the new breed) would be playing totally different kind of metal.
If you have researched even a bit into stuff you realize that the book is way off and very dramatized.
St. Vitus
River of Understanding
I've read the book and found it to be quite enjoyable, and I can appreciate how much effort went into researching and presenting such a topic. I haven't read much, if any, of the press surrounding the book, but given the nature of the subject matter, I guess I wouldn't be surprised if there were some inaccuracies.
I know the interviews should be taken at face value...but I would love to know the specifics on what you think was wrong with the book. I agree that the foundations of black metal rose from bands such as Venom (early 80s - England), but the book did mention them along with several other of the black metal forefathers in the first couple chapters.
I guess I'm with Soilent Goat in wondering if you have specific references...but I think the "if you had done any research into the subject" line is a bit of a cop-out, don't you think? I'm a black metal fan, but not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, and I welcome the chance to learn from those more knowledgeable...
J.
Old Fart
Are you saying Mayhem was actually good? Other than being a simple motivator, Mayhem really had no impact musically. Musically, Darkthrone had the biggest impact.
Like Satyr said in an interview: "Mayhem didn't have as big an impact as they would like to believe...." Quoted from an interview in Unrestrained.
For the record, I've read Lords of Chaos. I agree with that one dude, Varg is a jizzrag
Yes, but without Mayhem, Darkthrone would've kept playing the same kind of death metal they played in Soulside Journey. Whether you like Mayhem or not, they were the essential catalyst in the scene. Plus, you can't get much better in black metal than Mayhem with Dead performing Funeral Fog or Freezing Moon.
Satyricon themselves were never nowhere near as good as or influential as people tend to think. I bet he is just angry because Mayhem keeps getting more publicity than his band.
About the whole Lords of Chaos thing... I can't be arsed to do all that research again since it's been years since I read the book and searched the net for all the info about the happenings. Also the topic doesn't interest me a bit anymore. But if you really want to begin to fathom what happened in Norway back then, I suggest you do some background search in the internet.
J.
Old Fart
