Sure, Stalin kicked a lot of ass, and Marx was the man with the plan, but it was Lenin who took the philosophy, took control and still managed to kick a load of ass. So my vote goes with him.
Marx vs. Lenin vs. Stalin
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Krilons Resa
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I agree. That's his corpse right? They keep it a secret on how they do it. But every few years they got to re-do his body. I guess it is still in pristine condition...That is 
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Vladimir Illyich Lenin died on 24 January 1924. On the orders of Joseph Stalin, his body was preserved for posterity by using a secret embalming method. His internal organs were removed. His body was then injected with formalin and immersed in a formalin bath. His body was then dried and repeatedly immersed in a bath of glycerine, potassium acetate, water and quinine chloride. Lenin wears a waterproof suit under his uniform that holds in the embalming fluid, and his hands and head are bathed in fluid twice a week. His body is still on display in a specially constructed mausoleum.
NAD
What A Horrible Night To Have A Curse
Stalin. The dude was crazy mean. Dictatorship of the Proletariat!? Come on, NOBODY could have gotten that mumbo jumbo to fly except his evil ass.
Technically dictoatorship of the proletariat would be a very short stage in the development of Communism (according to Marx).
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What A Horrible Night To Have A Curse
Yes but only until the proletariat was able to sustain itself, right? (Correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't read Marx for awhile.) Stalin implemented it on a permanent basis, and justified it as a system of government even.
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"He predicted that there would be two phases during the transition from capitalism to a new synthesis. In the first phase, there would be a 'dictatorship of the proletariat' in which the workers would assume power in order to eliminate class differences through reeducation. This government by the working class would subsequently give way to a communal society operating under the slogan: 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.' "
Technically, if the Proletariat was able to overthrow the Bourgeoisie, then it would be able to susatin itself until the class distinctions were "ironed out".
"He predicted that there would be two phases during the transition from capitalism to a new synthesis. In the first phase, there would be a 'dictatorship of the proletariat' in which the workers would assume power in order to eliminate class differences through reeducation. This government by the working class would subsequently give way to a communal society operating under the slogan: 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.' "
Technically, if the Proletariat was able to overthrow the Bourgeoisie, then it would be able to susatin itself until the class distinctions were "ironed out".
MajestikMøøse
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Lenin. Lenin was the asskicker. Stalin just killed people because he wasn't up to the job of real asskicking.
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What A Horrible Night To Have A Curse
"you are so ... tiny!"
I guess it took me imagining you towering over people in the TP line to realize the significance of this.
I guess it took me imagining you towering over people in the TP line to realize the significance of this.
IOfTheStorm
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lizard
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isn't this discussion a little too intellectual for a metal board? next thing you know you'll all be sipping Lord Earl Grey and listening to maudlin of the well!
but to the matter at hand, Lenin had the balls to venture back into a potentially deadly environment to carry forth his vision via Marx/Engels.
but to the matter at hand, Lenin had the balls to venture back into a potentially deadly environment to carry forth his vision via Marx/Engels.
Its got to be Stalin, he killed 30 million people, and somehow beat the nazis. I think only Mao may have killed more through starvation with his cultural revolution.
Marx was a poor interpreter of Hegel, who got lucky Lenin decided to do anyhting with his ideas, as there were all sorts of anarchists, socialists etc, running around with different political ideals at the time.
Lenin is the next best choice, but frankly he just wasnt the killer Stalin was, and Russia was still poor and had yet to be industrialized.
Ah communists, such wonderfully brutal killers.
Marx was a poor interpreter of Hegel, who got lucky Lenin decided to do anyhting with his ideas, as there were all sorts of anarchists, socialists etc, running around with different political ideals at the time.
Lenin is the next best choice, but frankly he just wasnt the killer Stalin was, and Russia was still poor and had yet to be industrialized.
Ah communists, such wonderfully brutal killers.
Was reading a book a few yars ago about Ceausescu, the ex Romanian president, and oddly enough it is mentioned in it that a lot of the economic policies he had were modeled were after the USA. He was a big Carter fan ...
Honestly, after 9/11, the bullshit we have to go through and the way slowly the gov't is taking away certain rights ... I could not help but think on how it was in Romania in the 70's
You fuckers better go and vote in Nov.
Honestly, after 9/11, the bullshit we have to go through and the way slowly the gov't is taking away certain rights ... I could not help but think on how it was in Romania in the 70's
You fuckers better go and vote in Nov.
You can't really call Marx an "interpreter of Hegel", since the only major thing Marx gained from him purely was his dialectical view on history. If you are going to say Marx just interpreted Hegel poorly, you can't not mention Feuerbach, who reversed the Hegelian idea of alienated geist into alienated man. Marx mainly got his ideas from Feuerbach's dialectical materialism. So Marx didn't simply "interpret Hegel poorly", Feuerbach was there first.speed said:
J.
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lizard
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BWD stop it don';t you know metal fans are supposed to be simplistic. we are supposed to like boring simple rhythms and boring simple lyrucs about simple things which won't overtax our feeble mental capacities.
lizard
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also, my final exam in Dictatorship and Totalitarianism was to compare this poem, by William Butler Yeats, to the class topic as a whole:
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
lizard
Member
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You make me rock hard, so baby hold tight
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Love's like a glove and it fits just right
You make me rock hard, so baby hold tight
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Love's like a glove and it fits just right
You make me rock hard, so baby hold tight
Come on baby, let's rock hard, baby let's
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Hot lover, turn up the heat
I want your sugar, girl your love tastes so sweet
I feel a fire burnin' under me
I've got a hunger that you love's gotta feed
You make me sweat, you turn me 'round
You get me up, you never let me down
You make me rock hard, baby all night
Love's like a glove and it fits just rights
You make me rock hard, so baby hold tight
Come on baby, let's rock hard, baby all night
I'm under a physical spell
I'm a prisoner and your love is my cell
Once I get started I can't stop
I can't cool down 'cause this love is so hot
You make me sweat, you turn me 'round
You get me up, you never let me down
You make me rock hard, baby all night
Love's like a glove and it fits just right
You make me rock hard, so baby hold tight
Come on baby, let's rock hard, baby all night
You make me sweat, you turn me 'round
You get me up, you never let me down
You make me rock hard, baby all night
Love's like a glove and it fits just right
You make me rock hard, so baby hold tight
Come on baby, let's rock hard, baby let's
Rock hard, baby all night
Love's like a glove and it fits just right
You make me rock hard, so baby hold tight
Come on baby, let's rock hard, baby all night
All night, all night, yeah, all night, hey
You make me rock hard, baby all night
Love's like a glove and it fits just right
You make me rock hard, so baby hold tight
Come on baby, let's rock hard, baby let's
Rock hard, baby all night
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