Metal Archives "Reviewers"

Gotcha. Yeah if the guy requested the title, that's pretty lame. If you're just sending them out though, can't expect everyone to review every album they receive! Reviewing doesn't pay well, unfortunately...

I usually watch what goes to who, there usually is no point in sending the black metal to power metal guy you know. But they are usually requested mainly because most "reviewers" bitch about EPKs. So if that person has done reviews before good or bad ones or if I feel good about them I'll send the hard copies they asked for.
I find that the people who bitch the most about EPKs are the guys who run blog sites that barely anyone looks at. Seems the less profile the reviewer has the more they have issues. Meanwhile bigger press outlets like actual publications prefer EPKs.
 
I usually watch what goes to who, there usually is no point in sending the black metal to power metal guy you know. But they are usually requested mainly because most "reviewers" bitch about EPKs. So if that person has done reviews before good or bad ones or if I feel good about them I'll send the hard copies they asked for.
I find that the people who bitch the most about EPKs are the guys who run blog sites that barely anyone looks at. Seems the less profile the reviewer has the more they have issues. Meanwhile bigger press outlets like actual publications prefer EPKs.

Well how are the low-profile reviewers supposed to throw up the EPKs you send them on Ebay??? :heh:
 
Exactly...it boggled my mind to see these guys implying that that was a *bad* thing. Especially since they're highly-active participants in a community where the democratic expression of unvetted opinion is the whole point of the place. Hell, if the digital age didn't allow anyone to be a critic, I'm pretty sure Diabolik wouldn't even exist!

I am not some electronic based creature. I would exist without the net in my same persona. If you knew me back in my hardcore / punk days you would know I was always honest and opinionated with music. Less in the 80's since I didnt know many people into metal then.

It is good and bad that anyone can be a critic. With movie critics it drives me nuts with the fact anyone can review. Most people who review for sites online or blog havent seen a wide selection of movies so they cant even honestly compare or make examples. Same goes with music. Nothing worse than some young kid trying to talk about the 80's metal scene like they were there.

But like above, someone pointed out that with a wide variety of people doing reviews....you are not stuck listening to 1 or 2 people. It basically is up to the consumer with who he or she will trust.
 
I have two pet peeves with reviewers...

1. When people use country of origin as a descriptor. Calling something "Lithuanian Power Metal", simply because the band hails from Lithuania, is not a descriptor. Lithuania, does not have a Power Metal scene, with characteristics that somehow makes it unique from any other form of Power Metal.

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I have to disagree here. German power metal means something different than Italian power metal means something different than Finnish power metal. It's not just geographical. There are differences in the styles.

Of course, in that example it pretty much means "sounds like Helloween" vs. "sounds like Labyrinth" vs. "sounds like Stratovarius."
 
I have to disagree here. German power metal means something different than Italian power metal means something different than Finnish power metal. It's not just geographical. There are differences in the styles.

Of course, in that example it pretty much means "sounds like Helloween" vs. "sounds like Labyrinth" vs. "sounds like Stratovarius."

I guess his point was that there is no particular LITHUANIAN style of Power Metal. Sure, there is German, Italian, American.... but Lithuania is not known for having a UNIQUE power metal sound.
 
I think it's great that anybody can review anything whenever they want. Stops trends from following one person's opinion. It's not hard to ignore something when the first line is 'my cat can sing baetter lol they r gay'. Just move on to the next review! There's plenty of places to find them...once you locate a site that you trust it's no big deal.

Well, obviously I'm in this camp. I love that there are sites like Amazon (I haven't really spent much time looking at MA reviews) that let users/customers post reviews. If someone has listened to an album, their opinion is valid (even if you disagree with it, find them stupid, whatever). Besides, the more people providing information that helps people make buying decisions, the better.
 
I have to disagree here. German power metal means something different than Italian power metal means something different than Finnish power metal. It's not just geographical. There are differences in the styles.

Of course, in that example it pretty much means "sounds like Helloween" vs. "sounds like Labyrinth" vs. "sounds like Stratovarius."

Pretty much true, the U.S. has its own flavor and ironically Europeans like it more than Americans do.:lol:
 
Well, obviously I'm in this camp. I love that there are sites like Amazon (I haven't really spent much time looking at MA reviews) that let users/customers post reviews. If someone has listened to an album, their opinion is valid (even if you disagree with it, find them stupid, whatever). Besides, the more people providing information that helps people make buying decisions, the better.

I love reading Amazons reviews. Some of my favorite are the ones for different electronic devices. You can really see who is dumber than dirt there when they complain about the product. usually they are the ones who cant figure out how to use it in the first place.

I do like thier DVD reviews because once in a while you can find out the quality of an older film. Or if the extras are worth it. I am always very careful with reviewers that give a glowling review to a direct to dvd horror film though....it seems they are a cast member pushing thier film because most are garbage.
 
I personally never really paid much attention to reviews. If I saw a band name I did not know I would scan and look for the names it was compared to and now from that if I would pass on it or not. Reviews often struck me as boring with no personality, if you review make it interesting to read. I would see to many "reviews" that were nothing but the same damn press release that everyone else was using. Hell that still goes on actually.
Nowadays I just don't have much time to read many reviews.
To swing this thread back around to Metal Archives and give a piece of advise to reviewers, press, and whoever else; don't look towards Metal Achieves as a main source of information if you want to have creditability. So much information on that site is wrong that it is just sad. Granted it is a great place to get a idea or to find new bands but with anyone able to update info so much is just very misleading and confusing on that site. I have debated this with a few reviewers now who used that place for source information.
 
If I am new to a band who has multiple releases, I will go to Metal Archives to primarily look at the overall % ratings. This at minimum can separate the albums which are more favorable amongst most, as opposed to ones which are least desireable. Sure, it could mean that I and others might pass on a quality release, but if I really like said band, I would get to that release eventually anyhow.

It can help. I mean, if someone just discovered JAG PANZER, just by looking at review points, you would know that AMPLE DESTRUCTION is a better starting point than DISSIDENT ALLIANCE!!! :)
 
Hang on everyone, since the quote in question is MINE, I need to clarify what I meant.

I have nothing against free speech. I am an advocate of 4chan, reddit, all that shit--MA included.

My BEEF with the dorks who flock to MA though is that they are massive dorks who try to intellectualize metal and imply that everything else sucks. They think they're a member of some high elite for only liking Silencer and Demolition Hammer, but they probably are insecure, socially poor, fat, and/or all of the above plus jobless.

This doesn't apply to everyone who writes there, but indeed a nice chunk of those who do--and here is how you know if you've spotted one of these MA dorks:

Step one: The internet is srs bizz.

http://www.metal-archives.com/userreviews.php?id=147&nickname=UltraBoris

What normal human being in their right mind has the time to write this many reviews? I've written for decently well-known (but nothing super duper major though) print zines and webzines when I was in highschool and let me tell you, I never wrote near that many reviews. If I had as much time on my hands as this dork has to churn out rants on why Nevermore is "mallcore" or how Faith No More's "Angel Dust" album is "R&B influenced," I probably could've have flown around the world... twice.

But no, Grimthrockh the metal overlord has to have his voice heard and dammit, he will get it heard. There's obviously something important to be said that hasn't ever been said before here for these albums, all 350 of them. You're a true internet warrior my friend, keep up the good fight and keep posting those reviews. MA is not merely a catalog of your musical criticism canonography, but rather it a locus for your authorial voice--your literary soul. It is the seat on which you can allow your psuedo-self-importance ring out, loud and proud. Thus, you not only satisfy your inner urge to uncage your critical muse and review until your fingers fall off, but surely...somewhere...someone must be reading these and could...someday...potentially...take your heed. And it is these moments that act as compensation for your hard-earned effort. "Oh wow, he's so totally right. Dead Heart In a Dead World really is overrated because this guy I don't know, nor will I ever know, told me it was. I guess I won't buy it now"

SUCCESS!!!



Step two: Over intellectualizing metal while making other forms of music out to be inferior. Nothing screams "I'm a virgin" harder and louder than when you use the phrase "sophisticated black metal art" unless you're actually in Emperor and coined the phrase to help sell your record and/or are already with lady friends. You on the other hand, sound like a massive dork for using it.


"None of the above, of course, really does much to speak to the persistent, though very far from flagrant, quality of oddness which characterizes the album. The most obvious aspect of this, I suppose, would be the solos that adorn nearly every track--a far cry from malignantly keening guitar ululations, they quite literally rock, hearkening back to the metal of a much earlier time....or even farther, in some cases. The bass, as aforementioned, is rather animated as well, occasionally spitting out brief-but-colorful bluesy licks to punctuate and subtly color the rowdy stomp of a riff, or even taking the lead in a memorable passage in "Sacrifice." It's these small but potent bits of swagger, juxtaposed with the other elements of the music--such as Thomas Andresen's nasal snarl, which remains persistently joyless throughout the album's assorted tales of witchcraft, suicide, and lethal cold snaps--that give the album its particular charm and character; a redolence as reminiscent of a forest fire as of a crematorium. This is perhaps most succinctly encapsulated by the interludium "Autumn Void", a simple acoustic strum underwritten by jocular electric picking and doleful bass embellished by more of that bluesy soloing; essentially, a dirge that paradoxically sounds rather jaunty. "

What the hell does this even mean? Prose should sue your ass for sexual harassment and get a restraining order against you, because you raped it.

Step 3: anything that the reviewer does not understand is automatically not metal.

Lacking metal is derogatory for guys like these. If it's not metal, it's not worth listening to. "I don't get what Faith No More is doing... so I'm going to call it 'alternative metal.'" or "I don't get what Amorphis is doing, so I'm going to say they sound like pop rock-- maybe compare them to Guns & Roses to effectively underscore my distaste for things that don't meet my specific musical criteria." It's one thing to say a band isn't metal because you have a valid argument for it not being metal, but if you acknowledge that it has metal riffs, metal elements, etc on your own accord and refuse to call it metal, you're only doing so because you're a dork. You're already outcast from society and have no friends, so of course, the styles of music your "enemies" listen to must be systematically separated from what you listen to -- the truest of art. If I don't like it, it's THEIR music, not mine.

But if you're not THAT big of a dork, you might try to justify yourself by saying you listen to "electronic music" or "jazz" so that you can pretend to be eclectic. Except that only listening to Miles Davis or some obscure house DJ that played the bar across the street does not mean you "listen to jazz" or "electronic music." You're still a metal dork, and a massive loser.

I could go on. But my point isn't that these guys should shut up and stop posting, it's that they're hilarious and I don't take anything they say with any seriousness at all and that was the original context of my quote. I love MA though as a whole. It's a really great tool if you want to see who's in what band, how many CDs a band has put out, etc. I think I'd be seriously lost without it. But with that said, the guys that post there are beyond laughable.


Oh and have fun sigging THAT Angrarules. :p
 
Someone brought that up in another thread against the quote that was the catalyst for this thread that is in AngraRules' sig. Here was my response and I think it's valid now too.

No no no, we're all nerds. I don't think you can listen to metal and not be a nerd. But the people who write on metal archives are a special kind of top-tier self-important dork. Those dudes have being the lowest common denominator dork down to a science.

Either way, don't take it too seriously man, just laugh.
 
I have to disagree here. German power metal means something different than Italian power metal means something different than Finnish power metal. It's not just geographical. There are differences in the styles.
You're missing my point. I'm not suggesting it's never a valid descriptor. Certainly, if someone references Swedish Death Metal or German Power Metal, it can provide a useful insight into the sound. However, because of scene based genres like those mentioned, it has become commonplace for some reviewers to use the country of origin as a descriptor, even when it often provides absolutely no indication of what the band sounds like.
 
Oh man............
You are seriously getting worked up over Ultra Boris??????
I have known that guy for over 10 years.
He is a total Johnny Come Lately who THINKS he was around back in the day.
He is the type of loser who tries to get other n00Bs to think that Metallica sold out with MASTER OF PUPPETS.

Trust me... Don't even remotely take a word this guy says seriously.
He reviewed albums like Master of Puppets in the early 2000s because that is when he first heard them.

As someone else mentioned about calling older releases "thin", guys like this never heard the needle hit the record (literally) on tracks like HIT THE LIGHTS or BATTERY.
 
By the way, The Rain in Endless Fall has a very thin production :p
(Actually, I have not heard the remaster which I think came out around 2004. Was that done by you or by the band?)

i could write a book on my hatred for the engineer of the Prayer For Cleansing CD you are referencing. Jamie King and i had a bitch of a time attempting to remix that album in 2004. it's not only remastered, but completely remixed from mis-matching guitar tones. the original engineer never matched tones for each session. so every session the guitars had different tones (and crappy ones at that), but in 2004 JK was able to run some program to build new tones for the album. JK and i mixed it. the band were completely against it at the time (having moved onto BTBAM), but when 1,100+ people showed up from all over the world for their reunion show everyone was happy that i took the initiative to remix one of my favorite projects/bands for the label.

the original album went over budget and came out sounding like crap, but alas for my label's first release in 1999 it was what it was. i am much wiser now about engineering and what goes into making a good album.

Video taken from their reunion show, audio from re-released CD.
 
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A reviewer/critic whining about thin production on something that was technically released prior to 2000 (even if it was re-mixed/re-mastered) is obviously not taking into account the time period, technology and/or budgets and is probably spoiled with high expectations on modern, uber quantized, over triggered, pitch corrected, pro tool’d releases and easily gauges their objective opinions from that perspective.

I’ve noticed it’s normally someone younger than 25 years of age that use this excuse when being critical of older material. It’s not a fair measuring stick to judge anything with in my opinion, but it is what it is. They might get a little older and wiser… maybe.

Personally, I still do the occasional blind-buy, but not because of reviews, more so by recommendations. I have learned to take all reviews with a grain of salt, as most are fairly askew due to the individuals personal taste. I have purchased releases that were raved about in the press, and found them to be average at best, and others that have been panned just the same, and found that I love them. For example: Magnitude 9’s final album. It was heavily slagged for the production values, and in turn, most critics completely overlooked some of the redeeming qualities it offered. In my opinion, it’s not a shitty sounding album at all, in fact, the songs were so strong, and the performance so passionate, that I overlooked the production value as an after thought. I only noticed it slightly after reading so many scathing reviews on it after owning it for a while. Even then, it doesn’t change my opinion on how great I find the album to be. Too bad all the bashing of that release resulted in the bands dissolution.

It seems from the reviews I read these days on the billions of sites out there, that critics start with the production straight away, then move onto the vocals, and THEN the songs. Sometimes, I can tell they may have only listened to the album a few times, or possibly reviews it on the fly (writing it while they listen to it for the first time). If I were to review an album, I would have to give it several solid spins, with no interruptions, read the lyrics, and look at every angle... the whole package. More often than not, I hear a stunningly produced recording, a lot of talent in the instrumentation, good lyrical flow, and yet the song writing is samey and boring, where the album as a whole sounds like one big epic song, but is not the bands intention to do so. There is no adventure or excitement. Bottom line – I look for songs and the integrity within them, before I look at the sound or production.

Sadly, my own band has been the victim of the “thin” card being pulled in reviews. Especially on our 2nd and 4th albums. Unfortunately, our former guitarist/engineer/producer was a huge fan of that “Scooped” guitar sound (ala King diamond “Them” and Crimson Glory “Transcendence”) and our writing style didn’t work with this sound, and the era we were releasing these albums, deemed them as “non-competitive”, and only left a small group of European fans (Greece and Germany respectively) of Retro-U.S. Metal hailing these albums as solid releases. Ironically, we never intended to be a “retro” band, in fact, our goal was to do something different in regards to the styles of our peers/influences. It was all the back-woods, old-school recording facilities we used (analogue/tape/ADAT), and the ears attached to the head of the guy running the board. Most reviewers couldn’t get past our sound to even listen to the actual songs, which in my opinion, are strong, if not above and beyond what most bands put out these days. It’s not my intention of being biased or pretentious; I listen to A LOT of music, and I am confidant we had competitive, well orchestrated, forward thinking songs… they just happened to be marred by under produced albums and were overlooked as such.

This is also good reason why there was a massive change in our line up three years ago and has taken us up until recently to finish tracking our next album… we can’t make this mistake for the 5th time in order to compete in the current market. I don’t want to see the word “thin” in another review. I won’t be surprised if we loose a mass majority of our “retro fans” on this next album, nor will I be surprised if most critics blow us off because of our history. Hell, most labels are treating us like lepers because of the massive overhaul in our line up and the change of direction we’ve decide to taken. They just want a better produced version of our old material/song writing style. Oh well, at least I’m finally happy with the results and direction thus far prior to mixing/mastering, which is something I couldn’t say with a straight face over the last 10 years of our “career”.

I sympathize with you Matt… not everyone is as open minded or as adventurous as we are when it comes to the classics.
 
I have said this before and will say it again. If you were not alive to see a good Iron Maiden album released (last one 1988) then you should not be reviewing metal. Don't even talk to me about it.