Also, anyone else heard of PORE? I got a demo of this french band about a year an a half ago (though it was done in 98 or so) and it's amazing! Its a combination of harsh BM, techno, cold industrial, dance (!), and neo-classical guitar virtuosity, with a dab of dark-ambience. Phenomenal album that is one of the harshest, coldest sounding albums I've ever heard. The demo is called De Profundis, BTW. Their site hasnt been updated in a LOOOOOOOONG time, and no responses to my e-mails have been recieved...anyone have ANY info, by chance? Thanks!-Sadistik