mid side processing on guitars? mix?

[beyond dead]

tried searching around (admittedly not too hard) for some old threads, didnt find anything that answered my questions.

just curious as to what kind of mid side processing you guys are doing if any?

I know some plug ins do some mid side processing, and I have downloaded this http://www.voxengo.com/product/msed/ , but I m not sure as to what I am trying to achieve. I know it helps making your mixes sound better in mono. I know that you can eq, and compress each differently. I`m basically asking for some tips, or experiences with this type of processing. maybe some techniques to help make my mixes sound fuller, wider, or more interesting.

cheers
Liam

 

[colonel kurtz]

from what i understand, mid-side processes are usually used in mastering when some aspect of the stereo image is so fucked that you have to separate the left, right, and center and process each individually

long story short...i don't see much benefit in this when it comes to mixing guitars, unless you have a stereo track/full mix that needs some help

 

[Trevoire520]

If you're guitars are too quiet in mono then just pan them more towards centre.

 

[beyond dead]

bump??!?!?!

I know mid side processing is a secret many mixers use to get guitars and vocals sounding fitting better in the mix.

maybe some examples of things you can fix with it. I remember lasse and ermz saying that they use it.

 

[Metaltastic]

Well maybe they're not too related, but when I think "Mid/Side," I think of the stereo mic'ing technique where you have a cardioid or omni mic facing towards the center of your source, and then a Figure-8 mic directly beneath it facing left and right; once it's all recorded, you duplicate the figure-8 track, flip the phase on the duplicate, and then blend them in with the center mic to get your stereo spread! (and the higher you raise them, the more the field opens up, it's a pretty cool thing to have control over!) So perhaps mid/side processing is somehow related...?

 

[beyond dead]

yeah, it is related. I found a few links if your interested.

http://www.masteringhouse.com/masteringtips/midside.html

http://remixmag.com/production/tips_techniques/remix_divide_conquer/

http://www.izotope.com/artists/dave_moulton.asp?id=3

they explain a few different ways to process using the mid / side technique, but I am looking for some ways to use this for heavy music. Lately I have noticed alot of stuff going on the side channels (vocal harmonizing, automated reverbs, and other cool stereo effects) when listening to music. especially randy staubs work ( nicklback, crossfade and 3 doors down.)