Miseration - The Mirroring Shadow

Ermz

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Add this one to your reference CD collection.

I feel honored that someone who engineers to this caliber posts among us. This is one of the best produced metal CDs I've ever heard.

If you haven't heard it, give it a shot. I'm not entirely sold on all the music yet (though Dreamdecipher is monstrous) but even just for the engineering work, this one is worth grabbing.
 
Never heard these guys yet, will check out ASAP, thanks for the recommendation Emrz:)
 
Damn Ermz, not sold on the music? This shit is pretty insane I think , some of the better death metal I've heard in a while.
 
Well I mean on the record as a whole. Dreamdecipher is insane, and some of the other tracks have their moments, but my benchmark is Organic Hallucinosis. That's like the only death metal record I ever listen to, so it's hard to measure up. It's still new so it might well grow on me the more I listen. Vocals are slaying.

Once again the engineering is insane and I feel privileged to work with Plec on my own projects. He is one of the few people in the world I actually trust my work in the hands of, and consistently deliver results that are an improvement, rather than a detriment. This one has gone into my reference pile, and I look forward to learning from it.

Whatever the drums are, doesn't bother me. They sound crazy. People say it like it's a bad thing, but like 70% of the shit worshiped here uses straight up, un-blended slate which is a gazillion times more distinctive and unimaginative.

I just had an old friend, and great local session drummer swing by for a chat and listen. We spent a part of the day comparing records by certain producers, only to find the same mix repeated time after time. One of his bands' records had recently been mixed by Nordstrom and he showed me the mix, initially somewhat disappointed, but by the end of our listening session I feel I had him sufficiently convinced that Nordstrom at the very least retained VIBE and movement on his record. It wasn't technically perfect but it was suited to the style and I personally would've been happy. We talked about how the sterilization of modern records reduces their replayability, and how he is sick of certain records done by certain other engineers losing that cohesion, ambiance and vibe. The fantastic thing about having Opals in here is that it's immediately illustrated to anybody who listens, and the inherent cheap and transient nature of modern record making becomes apparently. I'm honored that this individual is my friend and intends on me to work on his bands' future records in place of name engineers they have tried before. It's about the right atittude. Which brings me back to the drums.... they sound great, deal with it or go back to your Snare12Z1 :p
 
Souns pretty impressive overall and the guitars and bass are crushing. I don't like the drums, however. They sound way too clipped and in the same time have no body. The kick sounds all click no punch.


Edit: to be fair, that's almost as good as they can sound considering the source, so good job!

Edit2: bass is epic.
 
This sounds great.

And for the record, I fucking LIKE DFH Damnit. Who cares as long as it achieves the result, and honestly, I am with Ermz - It's refreshing to hear non-slate drums every once in a while.

Who cares if they're sequenced.
 
Whatever the drums are, doesn't bother me. They sound crazy. People say it like it's a bad thing, but like 70% of the shit worshiped here uses straight up, un-blended slate which is a gazillion times more distinctive and unimaginative.

I just had an old friend, and great local session drummer swing by for a chat and listen. We spent a part of the day comparing records by certain producers, only to find the same mix repeated time after time. One of his bands' records had recently been mixed by Nordstrom and he showed me the mix, initially somewhat disappointed, but by the end of our listening session I feel I had him sufficiently convinced that Nordstrom at the very least retained VIBE and movement on his record. It wasn't technically perfect but it was suited to the style and I personally would've been happy. We talked about how the sterilization of modern records reduces their replayability, and how he is sick of certain records done by certain other engineers losing that cohesion, ambiance and vibe. The fantastic thing about having Opals in here is that it's immediately illustrated to anybody who listens, and the inherent cheap and transient nature of modern record making becomes apparently. I'm honored that this individual is my friend and intends on me to work on his bands' future records in place of name engineers they have tried before. It's about the right atittude. Which brings me back to the drums.... they sound great, deal with it or go back to your Snare12Z1 :p

I think the mix sounds killer, but IMO it's not that far removed from pretty much most good metal productions these days. I don't mean that as a slam against the engineer, far from it...But I don't hear any more ambience, cohesion and vibe that I DON'T hear in a lot of well mixed metal bands.

Sorry to disagree, and I hate to use this mix and engineer to make any case, but your personal affiliation is affecting your opinion, IMHO. I find it curious that aspects that some would say reduce the ambience and vibe (i.e. programmed drums) are not an issue for you in this mix, but you'll take a cheap shot at others using well regarded samples as if it's one of the culprits to a soulless production? C'mon. Just doesn't compute. Obviously, the easy response would be "if you don't have any high end monitoring, you may not hear it", but then that reads kinda elitist...Again, the mix sounds killer, and the band is great, but I don't find this any more "real" "organic" or have any more ambience and/or vibe that many other AE's muster up.

I'm sure I'm reading more into it, but to me this thread and your comments are kinda talking out of both sides of the mouth. I truly mean no disrespect to you, your work, your affiliations, nor the work of your peers.
 
I think there's a certain punch and separation there which sets it above the majority of the crowd. Personal opinion I guess. The monitoring situation is what it is.

Honestly, I'm trying to look past the fact that there are sequenced drums going on. It's super fast death metal - a genre where drums end up machine-like even if originally recorded. I can't recall the last time a professional release project I heard was using EzDrummer - a library designed for doing arrangements and song mock-ups. I may be wrong but the drums here don't sound out of place to me. I criticize others for using well regarded samples in an obvious fashion - not for using them as its own sake. Plenty of my idols all use Slate samples as blends to awesome effect. It's all in the execution.

As far as bias - more than likely. We are all inherently biased in certain ways. I'm trying to use that bias in a way that highlights this person posts among us and there is a lot to be learned, for those who are inquisitive.
 
I think there's a certain punch and separation there which sets it above the majority of the crowd. Personal opinion I guess. The monitoring situation is what it is.

Honestly, I'm trying to look past the fact that there are sequenced drums going on. It's super fast death metal - a genre where drums end up machine-like even if originally recorded. I can't recall the last time a professional release project I heard was using EzDrummer - a library designed for doing arrangements and song mock-ups. I may be wrong but the drums here don't sound out of place to me. I criticize others for using well regarded samples in an obvious fashion - not for using them as its own sake. Plenty of my idols all use Slate samples as blends to awesome effect. It's all in the execution.

As far as bias - more than likely. We are all inherently biased in certain ways. I'm trying to use that bias in a way that highlights this person posts among us and there is a lot to be learned, for those who are inquisitive.

I get you. And thanks for the level head reply, as I REALLY was just offering a differing opinion.

I stand by the fact that the mix DOES sound great.