The Randy Staub love thread

[CatharsisStudios]

Darn u guize got me, nah seriously I LOVE staubs work he is defiantly one of my favorite. so glad this thread exists

 

[Ermz]

Anywho there's probably not much left to say. Some people have been incredibly helpful here and I really appreciate it. From C F H's tips to MetalJonesy's assorted collection of clips. Really getting a much greater insight into this kind of workflow than I ever had before!

 

[CatharsisStudios]

CFH13 is massive bad ass

 

[Gnash]

Awesome Thread! Staub is the Man! The Vancity Kick...the delay trick. I had no idea he mixed that Soil record. This must be why I listen to it so much--and the Nicklback albums. He makes an ordinary Rock record sound soooo fucking good. For All The Right Reasons and Black Gives Way to Blue are my fav mixes handsdown.

 

[Ermz]

Question, do you guys know an easy way of applying the delay trick to only one side of a stereo group? So instead of applying it to like 4 channels of 'left guitar', you simply apply it to the left side of your guitar group? I suppose my question is primarily for Cubase. I find myself running sessions at about 90% CPU, so I have nothing left to spare these days.

 

[jangoux]

use a stereo delay and pan the left guitar group to the left and the right delay to the right?

 

[RevoltStudios]

I tried the OH EQ trick, adding lows in the overheads to beef the snare.....freakin KILLER sound! Try it, works like a charm.

 

[FirstStrikeIsDeadly]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxCVJyjBwNQ&feature=related[/ame]
This needs to be fully released for fucks sake.

 

[LeSedna]

Question, do you guys know an easy way of applying the delay trick to only one side of a stereo group? So instead of applying it to like 4 channels of 'left guitar', you simply apply it to the left side of your guitar group? I suppose my question is primarily for Cubase. I find myself running sessions at about 90% CPU, so I have nothing left to spare these days.

Don't remember well cubase routing but what about creating a send from your group of guitars, with only the channel 1 (which should be Left) to a new track, and another send with channel 2 to another track. So that you can pan each one how you want and with the volume you want. Apply the delay to taste with 100% wet setting. ?

 

[MortenDK]

Question, do you guys know an easy way of applying the delay trick to only one side of a stereo group? So instead of applying it to like 4 channels of 'left guitar', you simply apply it to the left side of your guitar group? I suppose my question is primarily for Cubase. I find myself running sessions at about 90% CPU, so I have nothing left to spare these days.

Ive used this for that trick ITB

PSP 42

Has worked great, just delayed one side by 20 ms.
Hope it helps

 

[Ermz]

Apparently that plug-in hasn't modeled the input distortion though?

 

[Mikaël-ange]

Apparently that plug-in hasn't modeled the input distortion though?

You're absolutly right

 

[Ermz]

Cool, so it's useless for this technique sadly.

The only plug I found that could do something similar is Soundtoys' Echoboy with the 'Limiter' style on, and the saturation completely dimed to the right. Used that on the Memnoir stuff, along with the lower octave chorus guitars.

One thing I don't like is that it audibly puts guitars out of time. I think I like the limiting/distortion aspect of the technique, but not the actual time delay. In fact the time delay makes no sense, since there would be timing deviations in the realm of ~10ms or so in the guitars anyway. Why you would further displace them I don't understand.

 

[John_C]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxCVJyjBwNQ&feature=related
This needs to be fully released for fucks sake.

The kick and snare there are absolutely godly!

 

[John_C]

Cool, so it's useless for this technique sadly.

The only plug I found that could do something similar is Soundtoys' Echoboy with the 'Limiter' style on, and the saturation completely dimed to the right. Used that on the Memnoir stuff, along with the lower octave chorus guitars.

One thing I don't like is that it audibly puts guitars out of time. I think I like the limiting/distortion aspect of the technique, but not the actual time delay. In fact the time delay makes no sense, since there would be timing deviations in the realm of ~10ms or so in the guitars anyway. Why you would further displace them I don't understand.

Apologies if I've missed something in this thread (it's been a while since I read it in full) but when I listen to Nickelback I hear much longer delays that that, more like half a second or longer.

 

[MortenDK]

Apparently that plug-in hasn't modeled the input distortion though?

No it hasnt! but I thought you asked for a delay trick to delay one side!?. And this does a nice widening effect, the distortion you´ll have to find elsewhere.

 

[Mikaël-ange]

No it hasnt! but I thought you asked for a delay trick to delay one side!?. And this does a nice widening effect, the distortion you´ll have to find elsewhere.

PCM42 trick is based on specific pcm42 imput distortion, no delay

 

[Ermz]

Yeah, it's more of a tonal than delay trick. You want something that can approximate the effect of hitting that limiting circuit very hard.

 

[MortenDK]

Yea I know the effect!.
And reading the thread!, lead me to believe he had found the distortion! since Ermz was just asking to delay one side in cubase!. Anyway .... lets not..

Carry on!..

 

[ahjteam]

Question, do you guys know an easy way of applying the delay trick to only one side of a stereo group? So instead of applying it to like 4 channels of 'left guitar', you simply apply it to the left side of your guitar group? I suppose my question is primarily for Cubase. I find myself running sessions at about 90% CPU, so I have nothing left to spare these days.

I don't have cubase at hand and I don't remember 100% by heart, but either click on top of the send panel to routing or right click on the sends, somewhere there should be the send panning