my latest work (still in progress)

Joey, are your still HP-ing your OH at 800hz then dropping out 200hz? Also how much of your real room and real drums are you using and what treatment? You seem to be able to blend the samples very well with the kit and not make it sound too fake, which is what I always have a problem with. So you said your using all hard hits off SSD, Ive always used just the cracks maybee i'll try that next time. Sorry for all the questions but those drums KILL!

-T.
 
DAMN. This mix is absolutely stellar. The clarity, the frequency spectrum, the dynamics. the guitars, crisp vox, and the drums are SLAMMIN. 12A is probably my favorite of the BIG snares. The bottom end is huge too. I wouldn't change a thing. I'm pretty psyched to hear what you are going to do with the SLATE 2.5 pack I have coming out.

When you say you were using only my hard hits, did you mean the actual HARD velocity or the CRACK velocity? Either way. Bravo dude. You use GClip on this one?

Also, let me know if you can get any clearence to send me a 30 second mp3 clip for promo...
 
Joey, send a changed and shitty version to the label as 192kbps mp3s and then send your mix to mastering or (if you master yourself) the pressingplant.

Nobody will ever notice ... the label just wants to establish "control" and "have-a-say" ... age-old thing, cause they pay for it they surely must be right and get their way ... NOT!
 
No room mic? Is dominion bringing up the ambience or just giving you more decay on the cymbals? Thanks for the info on this mix!
 
Great work there, Joey. My only real criticism is that the drums sound too robotic to me. I actually thought the drums were sequenced until you started talking about overheads. This may be one of the things that the label is on about. Other than that, I think some more room on the snare would be a good thing. It sounds like the snare would sink back into the mix if it were brickwalled during mastering, so it would be nice to have some more midrange content in there for cut. It's one of the drawbacks of the current batch of Slate samples - too much scoop.

You did a great job coaxing a tone out of the PODxt. If you don't mind answering, did you use the POD's cab sims or impulses?

It's pretty obvious that the Line 6 gear is still much more apt at release-quality tones than the competition. Never heard Revalver or Wagner sit this well in a mix.
 
Great work there, Joey. My only real criticism is that the drums sound too robotic to me. I actually thought the drums were sequenced until you started talking about overheads. This may be one of the things that the label is on about. Other than that, I think some more room on the snare would be a good thing. It sounds like the snare would sink back into the mix if it were brickwalled during mastering, so it would be nice to have some more midrange content in there for cut. It's one of the drawbacks of the current batch of Slate samples - too much scoop.

You did a great job coaxing a tone out of the PODxt. If you don't mind answering, did you use the POD's cab sims or impulses?

It's pretty obvious that the Line 6 gear is still much more apt at release-quality tones than the competition. Never heard Revalver or Wagner sit this well in a mix.

Hi Ermin. I respect your opinions and surely you are very talented, but I have to disagree with you about my snares being scooped. We even showed that my Snare11A had way more midrange content then the DevilDriver snare... way more.

Truth is, out of 36 snares on 2.0, some have tons of mids, some have a little, some have some scoop. Another snare that a lot of metal guys use, including many guys here, is the DREAMSNARE. That snare cuts very well and has a lot of 1k-2k midrange. Other snares with great mids are the NeverSnare, Snare11, Snare7, Snare2, GreenSnare, OldZepSnare, Snare1, and holy christ the ToneDef snare is ALL mids. In the upcoming 2.5 I have even more snares with focus on the mids.

From my ears Joey's snare (which is snare12A i believe) cuts great and his mix already is mastered so there will be no additional brickwalling. I am really impressed by the drums, as well as everything else.

Furthermore, and this goes to anyone, if you use a brickwall limiter during mastering, keep in mind that you are using a technique that NONE of the major mastering engineers use to make mixes louder, and brickwalling will always cause you to lose the punch of your drums. But thats a whole nother topic and we've been there before.

Back to topic, Joey let me know if you can get clearance on letting me use a snippet of that mix for promo.
 
Different strokes, I would suppose. I just prefer to hear a bit more mid in the direct snares. Though it could well just be due to the lack of room mics in this case. Those tend to constitute the crux of 'mid-ambience' for me, along of course with your own Z4 samples. As much as I would love to agree with you (since y'know, hell, you're the guy who made them), whenever I complete a mix using your samples and then solo the direct snare track, it just sounds like a really hi-fi deal, with the Z4, OHs and Rooms adding quite a lot of the tone, whereas the direct sample is adding purely punch and snap. Though, thinking about it, that's more or less how drum sounds seem to be done these days.

An example of where I used that approach is a track I did earlier this year, which you may recall: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285689/Music/Supersonic-MyMachine.mp3

The direct sample on the snare there is just pure crack (works good as a metaphor too), with the very middy OHs and Rooms adding the air. I hit it a bit harder with a second round of mastering (as the original MA had the level quite conservative) and that was as far as I was comfortable pushing the track without the drums sinking too far into the back.

I think essentially what I'm saying is that the samps work great for me as augmentation tools if there is some half-reasonable tone in the original drums. Sadly, I've never had much success in 100% replacement - and I've tried. As your samples caught on amongst some of the local metal acts down here after I started using them, many bands that sequence at home here now seem to use them when presenting tracks for mix.

Re: the mastering thing. Great! No problems, forget I ever said anything there. I've just had some issues in that regard with my own mixes, finding that the drum samps really want quite a bit of headroom to cut through. Sort of along the lines of what you were saying about cranking the drum faders to get them to cut.

Anywhoo, apologies for that. Don't mean to hijack your thread or anything, Joey. Great mix, once again. Technically fantastic, and really impressive considering the guitars are POD. As mentioned, the only thing that's lacking for me is some more of that natural ambiance on and variation between the drum hits, though of course that's way into subjective territory.
 
I would not want to be very heavy nor to bother you...but if you could upload some preset like this record (or similar), I would appreciate it like as much people of the forum.
because your guitar sound is amazing, incredible.........:worship:

do you use only amp+camb + screamer in preset¿¿ pod eq? pod reverb?
i prefer if you share some preset...

thanx man
 
Hhahah, Joey just unleashed a preset mania ¡¡¡. The guitar tone is to damm good to be true. Can´t wait to hear more tracks of yours.
 
Its not going to really matter what presets he posts...Your not going to be able to get that sound.....It's all joey and everything else he has going on in the mix
pod preset is just one piece of the puzzle
 
yeah sounds tight, really really fucking tight ! :hotjump::rock:
How the hell did you acchieve that brutal vocals?
Any special tricks ? ;)
Keep on rocking!
 
First dude, this sounds absolutely incredible! I have 2 questions, firstly could you please give us some insight on the vocal chain? What mics were used? Pre's? E.Q.? Anything else?

And secondly, what's the band called? I'm really into it. If this track is anything to go by, I'll definately be picking the CD up.
 
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it´s a pod settings...i think that he can share it perfectly. he would help a lot people to obtain better sounds with pods.

It's a pod setting that he came up with. He can share it or not. His choice. If he wants to charge 10 billion dollars for it, so be it. On one hand you keep bugging and begging him about posting it like it's the holy grail of guitar tone and on the other hand "it's just a pod setting" that's not worth anything?

Kinda contradictory and oh-so-convenient, isn't it?!

Also: Zombietakeover is right - even if he shared the preset, nobody's mixes would sound like this at all, cause if you know anything about guitar tone, you know that the bass plays a huge role in the guitar tone.
 
Haha, oh shit, just read their press release on their myspace: ""We're gonna turn our anger up a few notches for this record. If that means we have to throw chairs at the mixing booth glass and tear the studio to bits to get us there - so be it."

I'm assuming they probably didn't? :P Not really the best way to get someone to work hard on your record, by destroying their livelihood...