Bungle all day, but hell all those dudes are super over the top talented, the real debate is California vs self titled, they are both just brilliant. The Fantomas stuff is awesome, and they f*&*n kill live, but not so much a fan of tomahawk, I mean its cool it just doesnt do much for me. The production on the Directors Cut, and California are amazing though, I would love to find some reading on how they did that stuff.