need help selecting new DAW. just got a mac

[AudioPhile777]

Ah.. ok... no need to dumb it down anymore, lol... your mileage may vary... would have never guessed it.

 

[aramism]

i'm just gonna see if i could get both.

cubase is more reliable from a review and learning standpoint since i used the le version before and it is very similar to sonar IMO but simulatneously i'd like to learn Logic and if i like it more i can switch.


no one except one person has really said much about logic and no one on this board seems to rave/rant about it so i'm assuming it's not all too popular amongst the rock/metal communiy (though like i said machine and steven wilson use it mainly)


you can't go wrong with cubase i guess i'm gonna try it out on my mac. i'd love for logic to work out from what i've read and seen it looks like a cool DAW just kidna complicated. wish nuendo worked for intels, i really wanted to try it out, maybe they will get a patch or a new version will come out to support intel

 

[greyskull]

if you definatly aint using pro tools, id say logic tbh with you matey,

thatd be what id be on if i wasnt toolsing it up

 

[elmuchoescadawg]

Ive been using logic for years now and basically its what Im used to. I used to use cubase years ago and got fet up with it.

Basically I can get logic to do everything I want it to and I can work pretty fast on it. Theres only 2 things I dont like about it. 1 is that on the version I curretly have I dont have plugin delay compensation for third party plugins on busses. Basically this means the Neve buss compressor I bought for the UAD1 card is useless at the moment.

Also I think things like time stretching need to be made easier like in Pro tools.

Apart from that I love logic and cant really see a reason to change.

 

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

Logic: no sample accuracy when editing audio, the smallest unit is tic, and that sucks. Plus quite a few other things I can't remember now that made me do the switch back to Cubase and sell my Logic copy. It's learning curve is very steep as well... Also, it's plugin delay compensation is VERY questionable...
On the bright side of things, it has great plugins and instruments and is very flexible if you like to have greasy hands, automation is much better, and it's very stable (unlike C4 so far).
I'd go for Cubase 4, not Studio, the most significant differences in my opinion were not documented in the comparison chart and I wish I took the full version instead of the Studio.

 

[Noumenon]

completly objective and not biased a bit.
get DP. now.

 

[-Gavin-]

Why not get a GOOD PC and KEEP Sonar 6?

 

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

Oh, I forgot to say that I tried Digital Performer, and while I like quite a few features, for the most I hated it

 

[Noumenon]

why's that Brett?

 

[aramism]

Why not get a GOOD PC and KEEP Sonar 6?

you know i was hung up on that mind debate for like 2 months mac vs. pc but i just spoke to many people (even before joining this forum) that said that pcs give you problem all the time and i really thought sonar had a lot of limitations as far as the audio editing and stuff i decided to go mac. plus on top of that it seems that almost everybody that does audio production uses a mac based system. while i don't have the capability to get on a fully loaded pro tools hd or whatever the good "version" and interface version is i decided to start getting familiar with macs. plus i've used pc/windows all my life and the computers always get fucked up and different popups system erros blah blah blah. the decision to goto mac was not just music based it was also in general they are superior OS and now with the intel macs you can run windows as a program inside of mac os x which is neat since my job (banking) i use a program which only runs on windows but i run it on my mac. it runs faster than it did on my office computer (p 4, 2gb ram, win xp pro)


so in that light i can actually run sonar from my mac but like i said most people in the business and audio producers and stuff use macs and pro tools but there are tons that use like nuendo and stuff also so that's why i wanted to move up. i've reached my creative and engineering limit with the tools i've had for the last two years so i didn't wanna spoil myself with good computers, DAW, preamps, converters, SSL, et. etc. all that fancuy stuff iuntil i learned all the basics and got good at natural ear recognition and mixing with crappy monitors and stuff. it's like a guitarist who just starts ad=ng gets a $5000 les paul and a $3000 vintage mesa mark iic+ on ebay and a huge rack for no reason. i wanted to be a good natural producer first. i think i've gotten past (for 2.5 years now) being a budget producer and wanna slowly move up little by little in gear. starting with computer then daw, then converters/preamps then outboard gear, better mics, etc. etc. etc.



sorry for long post just wanted you all to see where i was coming from.


thanks

 

[ffaudio]

You seem to be really hung up on what "other people" are using and doing. You said Sonar had limitations? Like what?

A good starting point would be to ask what limitations it had and then look to see on those programs you listed which ones would solve those.

Use what works. Use what you know. Spend less time trying to be like other engineers. Make some music.

 

[aramism]

i'm not hung up on what other people are doing i'm just asking for opinions of people that know more than me in this field.

 

[Deaf Ear]

SX and Nuendo are the same program unless you're doing video. I'm waiting til they get the bugs out of C4. Did they really toss DX support?

 

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

The new update of C4 fixed a lot of problems apparently, but it fixed one that messed up the mix I was working on, so I have to finish it before moving on.

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

I don't see why you'd want logic unless you're doing really MIDI intensive stuff.

 

[JeffTD]

I've gotta admit, Logic was pretty fun to work with once I got the hang of it - it just had a few things that really bugged me (No proper drum map editor, sample accuracy, etc).

 

[aramism]

SX and Nuendo are the same program unless you're doing video. I'm waiting til they get the bugs out of C4. Did they really toss DX support?

so cubase 4 sx is the same as nuendo? i don't care about video. what's the diff between cb 4 sx and cb 4???

I don't see why you'd want logic unless you're doing really MIDI intensive stuff.

i don't "want" it i'm just guessing it's popular and it has a good name in the industry. i want a million dollars lol. i'm not really geared for any of these programs. the only one i wanted which i now can't get cuz of this whole intel thing was nuendo. that's why i figured cubase since it's simliar kinda to nuendo. i've from a couple of people that logic is very good also. that's why i figured get both :/

 

[Deaf Ear]

so cubase 4 sx is the same as nuendo? i don't care about video. what's the diff between cb 4 sx and cb 4???:/

Well I'm not too sure about 4 yet. As far as I know, Nuendo 4 hasn't even been released. As for sx3 and nuendo 3, the audio aspects of the programs were exact to the best of all my research. The only difference being the video editing was better in Nuendo.

 

[greyskull]

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[CJWall]

I dont have plugin delay compensation for third party plugins on busses. Basically this means the Neve buss compressor I bought for the UAD1 card is useless at the moment.

can't you just nudge the audio track itself back by how ever many samples the UAD is delaying it?