Need some info about 6505 212 combo

[laszlozsolt82]

I found a 6505 212 combo for 750 $ (is it a good price?for europe/ Romania )
it s different from the head wersion or not???
I searched this forum, but i cant find any post of this.
i know that it is 60 watts only but it is ok for me if it sounds like the 6505 head version.
I read that the included speakers sounds like shit, but i have my 4*12 V30 so i plan to use it with them.

 

[TheWinterSnow]

The Sheffield speakers aren't as bad as most would like to say, I actually like them to be honest, not amazing, but decent. Considering brand new they are $1200 USD, somewhere around $700 is fair (that is if your you are taking about USD, CAD, AUD or something relatively close).

 

[laszlozsolt82]

Soundvise, how it compares to the head version? is it different or the same?

 

[Lazzari]

it should be the same actually..

 

[MarcusGHedwig]

Soundwise I actually think it sounds slightly better, in that it's biased slightly warmer and just has an overall darker tone to it - I love it personally!

 

[TheWinterSnow]

Soundvise, how it compares to the head version? is it different or the same?

should be practically the same,

from FJA:

The 5150 combo has the following differences:
The 5150 combo is a little like the 5150, a little like the 5150II, and it has a few features of it's own thrown in there
Lead channel more like the 5150II lead channel than the 5150 head
Smaller output transformer saturates easier - gets muddy
2x12 instead of a 4x12
Biased warmer (different bias circuit)
Lead channel has a little less gain
60 watts instead of 120
Combo has reverb
Voiced darker

Soundwise I actually think it sounds slightly better, in that it's biased slightly warmer and just has an overall darker tone to it - I love it personally!

you should really try a re-biased head then.

A warmer biased head is great to. After biasing mine extremely fucking hot the fizz has been taken care of and it is one hell of a thick meaty som'bitch

 

[MarcusGHedwig]

Nah, there's more to it than just the biasing, it's voiced slightly different as well

 

[laszlozsolt82]

Thanks guys!
any other opinions? especialy from those who have the chance to compare them or got the combo...

 

[TheWinterSnow]

Nah, there's more to it than just the biasing, it's voiced slightly different as well

The combo is voiced more like the 6505+, which means a properly biased 6505+ head would sound the same, given they are dialed to equal amounts of poweramp saturation.

But seriously, I understand where all the 5150/6505 hate comes from in many of those guys who dislike them, I personally can't stand a stock biased 5150/6505, when you get them biased hotter than hell they are a whole different beast.

I always tell people to play a biased modded 5150/6505 before they make a judgement becuase bias in those amps make a HUGE difference.

Thanks guys!
any other opinions? especialy from those who have the chance to compare them or got the combo...

I haven't played the combo but I would imagine that it would be the same as a head with matching cab but a 212 open back version, So you shouldn't expect as tight or aggressive of a low end and expect that the sound especially the bass will project in all directions and possibly get out of hand, so keep the bass/res down especially when you crank.

 

[laszlozsolt82]

maybe tone samples from somebody with the 6505 212 combo and a TS9 in front?