New album Foregone out February 2023
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ThePhobiac
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I have a special place for that song in my rankings. 
But yeah As the Future Repeats is fantastic.
But yeah As the Future Repeats is fantastic.
For done reason, the title track is now one of my favourites. It wasn't in the past though.
And I agree with the comments. Clayman is about melodies while CC must be one of their most aggressive albums. I think that with TJR.
And I agree with the comments. Clayman is about melodies while CC must be one of their most aggressive albums. I think that with TJR.
The Grayfox
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I have a special place for that song in my rankings.
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But yeah As the Future Repeats is fantastic.
Boo this man.
Pallbearer
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100% agree, it's a shame they've practically ignored that song after the Clayman tour (and it wasn't a live staple even back then)
Same here man, I loved this track when I was first getting into IF and still love it to this day. It often gets brought up as one of Clayman's "boring" or "filler" tracks and I couldn't disagree more. As a song it is super tight, no wasted effort, and from my point of view every member of the band is firing on all cylinders on this track. I'd agree on the lyrics, genuinely think this might be the best single set of lyrics Anders ever penned. Every single line is well thought out, creative and interesting. I could quote any line from this song as being an example of how great Anders used to be at writing lyrics, compared to nowadays. Clayman in general was his peak, lyrically, from my perspective.
As for the song itself, starts off strong with some nice headbangable riffs. Vocals are weird in that Anders sounds more strained on this track than any other, possibly in the entire discography, but somehow it just works perfectly. The stretched, pained sound of his voice totally compliments the desperation being expressed in the lyrics. Plus the way the vocals are produced allows them to blend in with the instruments. There are some really great screams here too, though - "the collective force blaming you, this is the day we split in half", "the hopes and prayers of things to come, I lost them all in glory, urgent to aim for that short lived joy, I see gold in all that lies before me". It's a small thing, but I also love that final "anyway" at the very end of the track. In one word and with that kind of hopeless, 'whatever' inflection, Anders is able to convey that despite everything he's upset about, he knows nothing is really going to change, and he's basically just screaming into the void.
Guitarwork is mostly solid, contributing to the frantic, anxious atmosphere, and this song has one of my favourite IF solos. It isn't doing anything special, but the final part especially is just perfect. It fits into the song like a glove, and transitions smoothly into the final chorus. Drumming is varied and powerful throughout, and even the bass gets some moments to shine, at certain points adding an audible ominous tone to the music.
Basically, I think this is one of the most well put-together tracks In Flames ever created. It's criminal that it isn't considered one of their top tracks.
Nowadays for me it's all about the middle of Clayman for me. Will listen to everything between OFTW and Brush the Dust Away without question. For whatever reason Bullet Ride and Pinball Map have fallen off a bit for me in recent times. They're still awesome, but just not "I must listen to this now" awesome. ALso Strong & Smart and World of Promises are included in my list, best covers IF ever did by far. How they went from that to the abysmal covers EP is beyond me. Just sad.
Bruh, I kindly request you repeat this exercise repeatedly until Suburban Me is far higher in your rankings
thanks.Same for me, but I know the exact reason. I was listening to the Clayman remake and then went back to the original Clayman and it was like coming home into the warm after being out in a nasty blizzard. I had much more appreciation for the original Clayman after this. Love the chorus especially, so powerful, especially compared to the remake. Maybe this was Anders' and Bjorn's plan all along, we finally solved the riddle of why Anders kept yelling about plans on SOAPF. This was it.
For what it's worth there are two or three live videos on YT where they play ATFRT. From memory quality is pretty bad on all of them, but it's early-2000s so... it is what it is. It is a shame they discarded it after the Clayman tour, but it's not one of "da hits" like Pinball Map, OFTW, etc... so unfortunately it was doomed to this fate from the start.
Years ago when I was still doing vocal covers I can remember Pinball Map being very awkward to do. Timings of vocals and instruments were just really unusual, so I can understand what you mean. It's not one of my favourites from Clayman, but I do still like it.
ThePhobiac
be at ease
I think there are exactly five instances of Anders using falsetto in his career — Chosen Pessimist, Siren Charms, Through Oblivion, and both Used and Eyes of My Mind from the Passenger album.
Jester Slave
Narcissist
I mean it's not like they're doing metalcore thingy Björn, not really a "new" band I would say..
Lmao, those two are so salty band with his supposed friends in, pretty huge hype and well received album, and neither Anders or Bjorn claim to have listened to it. OK lads.
It's this kind of thing that makes them difficult to take seriously. Why can either of them not just say "yeah, I've heard them, sounded decent. Good luck to those guys" - how difficult is it to just be an adult about this?
band with his supposed friends in, pretty huge hype and well received album, and neither Anders or Bjorn claim to have listened to it. OK lads.It's this kind of thing that makes them difficult to take seriously. Why can either of them not just say "yeah, I've heard them, sounded decent. Good luck to those guys" - how difficult is it to just be an adult about this?
Lame response by BjornI mean it's not like they're doing metalcore thingy Björn, not really a "new" band I would say..
The Grayfox
#MusicTheoryBro
You know both those guys put their headphones on and listened to it. You know they did. They just don’t want to give them any acknowledgement. Meanwhile Jesper is on social media telling people that Meet Your Maker is amazing and people should listen to it.
But… Jesper’s the asshole right?
But… Jesper’s the asshole right?
The Grayfox
#MusicTheoryBro
Lmao, those two are so salty
It's this kind of thing that makes them difficult to take seriously. Why can either of them not just say "yeah, I've heard them, sounded decent. Good luck to those guys" - how difficult is it to just be an adult about this?
Exactly this. Nobody is expecting him to come out and heap praise on them but considering it’s a band made up entirely of his “friends”, he could at least find a nice word or two. What a douche.
Today I learned that all the vocals on The Jester Race were recorded in a single day. That's a hell of an effort.
I mean, Jesper did what he did during the SOAPF - SC eras, he said some shitty things online so that was an asshole move, sure. We discussed many many times here about the Jesper - IF situation, no matter what we've said none of us knows exactly what happened between them. If you don't like someone, you're not obligated to be classy to them.
But also saying that "I'm not listening to new bands" is kinda.. unnecessary. Just say no and move on to next question.
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