New album Foregone out February 2023

I'm not even going to entertain this with a serious response
They sound the fucking same, holy shit dude. Are you for real trying to "akshully, they play it with a different technique, so it is not literally the same" this? I defended SC and a lot of new IF stuff, hell, I don't even mind this copy too much, but you have to be a special fanboy to deny that it is basically the same.

Mate, 9 out of 10 people would find these riffs very fucking similar, but you have to be the one to say nah, nothing to see here, you can't even fathom how it's possible. Old people being lazy, I can understand. You clowning on this, I just don't... the only explanation I can think of is that you REALLY wanted to flaunt that you know that Björn actually played this same fucking riff in a different style, like that makes it any better.

Man, how can I get brain damage from IF haters AND fanboys on the same board?
 

I literally did this just to prove a point to your uncultured ears :p sure they may be similar, but the riffs have a completely different structure, and it's in no way a rip-off.

Ignore the bad playing coz I suck.
 
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Come on man, you played ITM differently. I don't know the jargon, but it "went up" sooner than you did. That is the most similar aspect, because they follow the same "wave", but you emitted the first one from ITM, only did ilike the second one.

Exchange itm with highway as you played it the second time.
 
They sound the fucking same, holy shit dude. Are you for real trying to "akshully, they play it with a different technique, so it is not literally the same" this? I defended SC and a lot of new IF stuff, hell, I don't even mind this copy too much, but you have to be a special fanboy to deny that it is basically the same.

Mate, 9 out of 10 people would find these riffs very fucking similar, but you have to be the one to say nah, nothing to see here, you can't even fathom how it's possible. Old people being lazy, I can understand. You clowning on this, I just don't... the only explanation I can think of is that you REALLY wanted to flaunt that you know that Björn actually played this same fucking riff in a different style, like that makes it any better.

Man, how can I get brain damage from IF haters AND fanboys on the same board?

"Akshully, to me they sound the same so they must be copying their own riff, don't try and use any sort of real reasoning to explain how their not the same because i know I'm right"

Can someone make the Bjorn on his high horse meme with Jesterslave? :rofl: I'm not trying to actually argue by the way, there's no malice in my words so please don't take it any other way than in jest
 
Come on man, you played ITM differently. I don't know the jargon, but it "went up" sooner than you did. That is the most similar aspect, because they follow the same "wave", but you emitted the first one from ITM, only did ilike the second one.

No I am playing it correctly :), it's harmonised which is why it sounds higher, which actually, is another difference to I'm the Highway as that isn't harmonised.

Edit: I relistened and it's not harmonised, I lie. But I am playing it correctly. This guitar is in D and so I'm using a pedal to transpose down to A#, so everything sounds a bit fatter and lower, but I assure you, they are the correct notes (close enough anyway). Also - ITM is easier to play low down using higher strings whereas I'm the Highway it's easier to use mainly the bottom string, but because of the note progression it wouldn't sound right to play either one the "other" way
 
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It is harder to listen to the riff from ITH that is true, but I don't hear as much difference in the actual songs as in you playing thos,e but I do appreciate the showcase. I'll let the others chime in, but I can't see less than 7/10 people saying that these are nothing alike. And I don't mean "tiny bit similar", that doesn't count ofc.
 
It is harder to listen to the riff from ITH that is true, but I don't hear as much difference in the actual songs as in you playing thos,e but I do appreciate the showcase. I'll let the others chime in, but I can't see less than 7/10 people saying that these are nothing alike. And I don't mean "tiny bit similar", that doesn't count ofc.

I fully understand what you mean and that's because of the similar drum patterns if anything, it all becomes a bit harder to tell how to play - honestly when I first learned ITM by ear then saq people much better than me playing it closer to how I play it now, I thought it was a different song entirely. Sometimes there's a lot more going on that you can hear in the mix, especially on R2R
 
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I see the similarities too.

The thing is that, they have plenty of time to work and create something new. Instead... Well. This happens. Or they copy other bands. So, where's the effort and the creativity?
 
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Watch them feed, leeches, the puzzle & darker times.
The Mirror's Truth, delight and Angers, Abnegation, dead eyes.
Each of those lists of 4 songs have main riffs derived from the same note patterns and similar rhythms, far closer to being "rip offs" of each other than ITM and I'm The Highway.
If anything, the I'm The Highway riff is more of a "rip off" of the bridge riff in Egonomic, because they are actually similar in how they sound. Enter tragedy you could say is a rip off of the I'm The Highway lead guitar, by the same logic I guess.

This isn't even coming from a trying to defend the band perspective, I'm just genuinely baffled at why this one comparison is annoying people and saying the band have ripped themselves off when - from a writing and playing perspective - they're very different. If they are copying themselves then pretty much any riff by any band in the same genre is a rip-off if it sounds somewhat similar to someone else :err: weird hill to die on, but to each their own I guess :rofl:

*Again I want to stress I'm not trying to have a go at anyone, being the internet it's hard to make your point without sounding like a jackass, and I don't have an issue with any of you :p*
 
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Honestly, I don't really care if the band rip themselves off. If they're ripping off other bands, yeah, I'm against that. But if Bjorn writes a passage similar to something he wrote 10+ years ago then whatever, I don't really care, I just want the song to be good.

Everything's Gone effectively rips off the Black and White intro - not identical but close enough that it instantly took me back to that song - problem is Everything's Gone is far worse, so the lack of originality in that short section is only a tiny part of a much bigger problem.

IF aren't the first and won't be the last band to recycle riffs, harmonies, drum patterns, vocal patterns (Stanne does this a lot) or whatever else. It's only an issue if the music sucks along with it. Feels like taking something good and tossing it into a pile of shit. It hurts a little bit more.
 
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I'm not annoyed in the slightest. I just think that they sound similar and that's all. Also, he asked for other people's opinions so I gave mine.

The lack of effort is more annoying. Copying other bands is more annoying. The lack of creativity is more annoying.

But, if the songs are decent they can copy themselves as much as they want.

It's not also as if they're a band like Iron Maiden that has been repeating the same riffs for decades.

And I said this before. If they're ripping off music I prefer them to rip off themselves.
 
I do agree that the riffing and song structures have been quite derivative after the release of SOAPF. even SOSD, which I really enjoy, is nothing new, just a better and more "metal" version of their current sound.

I do wonder what the fanbase opinion would be if they released only albums all like colony/Clayman since the 2000. It's a tough balance for bands to stay true to their sound but not sound derivative or lazy (or go completely the other way and change their sound but still end up sounding lazy and derivative).

In Flames at this point almost have 3 different fan bases, one from each decade. This I guess seperates them from legacy bands such as say, Metallica, that rely on the success of their fist couple of albums, but also not a "consistent" band like Iron Maiden. At this point of their career there's almost nothing In Flames could do to please all of their fans.

For me I'm happy to see them to take the direction they did with SOSD as I feel it's the best we will get at this point.

Random thought I had the other day that I'm curious about while we wait to get more news about the album or bitch about the inevitable disappointment; if you had to pick a Setlist you'd want to see In Flames play - 20 songs (generally how many their headline sets top at), what would it be? For me (I spent way too long thinking about getting a good flow, and about grouping the different tuning songs together :tickled:):

Embody The Invisible
Cloud Connected
Pinball Map
All For Me (I really like this one, especially live I've seen it twice and it works really well)
State Of Slow Decay (it's new, idk)
Behind Space
Artifacts Of The Black Rain
Episode 666
Trigger
Dead Eternity
Only For The Weak
Alias
Where The Dead Ships Dwell
Crawl Through Knives
Delight And Angers (like AFM it's great live)
System (so mad they don't play it anymore)
The Quiet Place
The Mirror's Truth
Take This Life
My Sweet Shadow
 
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I mean, there shouldn't be any IF fan out there nowadays expecting anything that sounds like their 1994-2008 catalogue. Jesper leaving removed a critical component that can't be replaced. Anybody still listening to the band expecting anything resembling Lunar Strain - ASOP needs to move on. That band is gone.

Anything after that is realistic to expect, just because the main songwriter, Bjorn, is still the main songwriter. He could write another SOAPF, another Siren Charms, another Battles, another ITM, if he wanted to. Granted Battles and ITM had heavy involvement from Benson and his crew, but the band are still working with those people, so, still not unrealistic as an expectation. With that said IF have been going off in different directions since Clayman at this point. No album since then really sounds hugely like any of the ones that preceeded it (imo), so you pretty much have to assume a new IF album isn't really going to sound much like anything they've done previously. Some would see that as a positive, some as a negative, but it is what it is.

There's no way IF could have kept releasing Colony/Clayman style albums to the present day without a drop in quality. There's only so many ways to evolve that sound, and Jesper/Bjorn were already tired of it by 2000, meaning they'd be forcing themselves to write the material and that kind of situation never leads to anything good. The music would just have become derivitive and pointless. What's frustrating from my point of view is that they never really settled on a sound or style post-Clayman. Every album was a new direction, with constant experimentation on production. The band had zero consistency when it came to how their output sounded after leaving Nordstrom, and whilst in some ways it makes them very interesting to follow, in other ways it's irritating never knowing what to expect and has contributed to the fanbase repeatedly splitting as time goes on. There are very few fanbases out their as fractured as In Flames' fanbase, and this is in large part down to how erratic and unpredictable their musical direction has been over the past 20 years or so.

As far as what I'd want to see as an IF setlist, as opposed to what would be realistic... not in order of being played, but in order of albums:

Behind Space
Upon an Oaken Throne
Stand Ablaze
Lord Hypnos
The Jester Race
Jotun
Jester Script Transfigured
Episode 666
Embody the Invisible
Zombie Inc
Only For the Weak
... As the Future Repeats Today
Satellites & Astronauts
System
Minus
Evil in a Closet
Dead End (or Crawl Through Knives if Lisa wasn't available :))
Vanishing Light
SOAPF
Fear is the Weakness

If that was the setlist I'd literally love every single song played. I could swap a number of songs from the old albums in and out though, especially from TJR/Whoracle/Colony/Clayman. I'd be happy with practically any song played off those albums, and most of the songs off Reroute as well.

I wouldn't want anything after 2011. Not to say some of those songs don't sound decent live, but nothing they've done post-2011, in my mind, comes close to what they did during the 1994-2011 period.
 
I suppose for the new albums I could list the songs I'd be OK with being on a recent setlist, even if ultimately I'd much prefer an old song instead:

Siren Charms

Paralyzed, With Eyes Wide Open (although Anders would fucking butcher this live), The Chase, Become the Sky

Battles

The End, The Greatest Greed, Us Against the World

I, the Mask

Voices, ITM, I Am Above, Deep Inside, All The Pain, Stay With Me

I would accept a handful of the above on a setlist, presuming most of it was still rooted in the pre-Siren Charms era.
 
I suppose for the new albums I could list the songs I'd be OK with being on a recent setlist, even if ultimately I'd much prefer an old song instead:

Siren Charms

Paralyzed, With Eyes Wide Open (although Anders would fucking butcher this live), The Chase, Become the Sky

Battles

The End, The Greatest Greed, Us Against the World

I, the Mask

Voices, ITM, I Am Above, Deep Inside, All The Pain, Stay With Me

I would accept a handful of the above on a setlist, presuming most of it was still rooted in the pre-Siren Charms era.

I saw WEWO in 2014, it was actually quite good, one of the better SC songs live!
Man greatest greed I forgot about that one, that's a song that if any other band released it it'd be a straight up banger, it just feels weird as an In Flames song as it sounds nothing like them.

Your set would be pretty damn cool! Dead end with Lisa would be awesome! Lord Hypnos too, that song is great, such a catchy melody. My Setlist has a lot of 2000s bias, as I spent my teens binging R2R through SOAPF. that being said, I'd love to see the classics as I've seen most of the mid 2000s stuff I want to (except Crawl through knives and system. It's criminal they don't play system anymore :cry:) the fact I've seen In Flames 5 times, 4 as headline, and haven't seen Only For The Weak since my first IF show in 2014 is actually ridiculous.
 
Your set would be pretty damn cool! Dead end with Lisa would be awesome! Lord Hypnos too, that song is great, such a catchy melody. My Setlist has a lot of 2000s bias, as I spent my teens binging R2R through SOAPF. that being said, I'd love to see the classics as I've seen most of the mid 2000s stuff I want to (except Crawl through knives and system. It's criminal they don't play system anymore :cry:)

Sadly Lord Hypnos has never been played live, even in the really old days. It's a shame as it's a really underrated TJR song.

As far as my set is concerned, I've seen 9 of them live myself, and seen/heard live boots of all except Lord Hypnos as it's never been played. Even Upon an Oaken Throne is out there on the 1994 Sweden bootleg (with Mikael on vocals, I believe). I think it might also be on the 1998 club citta boot.

My bias overall would definitely be towards the 1994-2002 era, as that's the IF I fell in love with, but I'd be cool with hearing most of their songs live up until 2011. Less so STYE and ASOP, but even a lot of those songs sound good live. Post-2011 is the period where I totally lose interest in seeing tracks live.
 
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Behind space
Moonshield
Lord Hypnos
Jotun
Food for the Gods
Episode 666
Embody the Invisible
Colony
Only for the Weak
Clayman
Brush the Dust Away
Suburban Me
System
Trigger
Dark Signs
The Quiet Place
Touch of Red
Borders and Shading
Reflect the Storm
Crawl Through Knives
Vanishing Light
Sleepless Again
Alias
A New Dawn.

In no specific order

Maybe, also, add... Cloud Connected. A song that took me a few years to like but now I'm liking it a lot. And Free Fall.

Or, just playing the whole Come Clarity album would he cool.

It's interesting how, with time, my opinion about SOAPF has changed I liked that album a lot for almost five years. Now, I'm still liking it but not as much as I did before. I even tend to listen to ASOP more than I do to SOAPF. I think it's the lack of layers and its uniformity are pushing me back. (I'm not sure that I expressed myself right).
 
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ASOP's vocals and guitar tone will never grow on me. A lot of the songs aren't bad and actually sound really good live, but the album's production is a fucking disaster and ruins it on CD. SOAPF is less classic IF than ASOP, but the production and vocals are 100x better which makes it far nicer to listen to.

Honestly though, I don't really listen to anything post-2002 all that much. When I'm listening to IF nowadays it's almost always songs from the TJR - Reroute period. I don't mind hearing stuff from STYE, CC, or SOAPF but I don't really seek those songs out like I do the older stuff.
 
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SOAPF was my favorite for many years but I rarely go back to it now. I still love some of the tracks, All For me, fear is the weakness, WTDSD, ropes, a new dawn... But I agree I actually go back to ASOP more, despite the poor production.
 
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Yes, join the dark side! Though I had to warm up to ASOP as well, but now I know it is really fucking good. I can even bear the vocals, but the guitars are indeed shit and I will never understand how could they okay that, especially after CC, which is by far my favorite IF guitar "programming".

Even when I still didn't like the record (around when it was released), Alias was fuch a banger. I never would've thought that not only it won't become a staple, it actually barely makes into the setlists anymore.