new song from my band's upcoming CD...

[nwright]

Check it out. I think it's clipping pretty bad, though.

Crap. Do you guys hear it?

Vox are up front, fer sure.

http://geetarguy.tripod.com/whitechapel.mp3

 

[Unavailable]

Ahhhh! That's an amazing guitar sound. Great mix dude! Didn't hear any obvious clipping.

 

[JonWormwood]

No clipping here either, how'd ya do the guitars and drums? Sounds very huge, nice mix.

 

[Waterboy]

Radical. I think this is a really good mix, and the tune is awesome, too!
Thank you for sharing with us!

 

[TheIllicitOne]

YES! Great mix. Details on the guitar tone please.

 

[nwright]

Thanks. Must be my headphones. I just made a reference CD and listened in my car and it was OK. I'm at work, so no monitors. I finished the mixes last night, but didn't feel like taking the time to render them...I brought my laptop to work to render today during free time.

guitars are 2 tracks 6505+, 2 tracks Madison Divinity. Cab is a Madison 4x12 loaded with Celestion V30's. I did a modified Fredman technique. Same miking placements, only I put the mics on 2 different speakers. And, the off axis mic is dropped about 7 dB's lower than the on axis. Just barely there, but enough to notice it when it's gone. I boosted 400 Hz by 3dB and boosted 3-4kHz by about 2dB's, C4 compressing 100-250Hz.

Drums are 50/50 blend of mics and samples. I used a cheapo set of CAD drum mics on the bass drum and rack toms. Floor tom was miked with a Senny e609. Snare was miked with a single 57 and 50/50 blended with Andy's snare sample. Toms are a 50/50 blend of the natural toms and the Chimaira toms posted here. Funny enough our drummers toms sounded almost identical in pitch, and pretty close in tonality. I did heavily EQ the toms, though. The kick is a blend between the natural kick, Andy's sample and "brain kick 1" found somewhere on this forum all blended at equal volumes (33/33/33 you could say).

 

[JonWormwood]

Thanks. Must be my headphones. I just made a reference CD and listened in my car and it was OK. I'm at work, so no monitors. I finished the mixes last night, but didn't feel like taking the time to render them...I brought my laptop to work to render today during free time.

guitars are 2 tracks 6505+, 2 tracks Madison Divinity. Cab is a Madison 4x12 loaded with Celestion V30's. I did a modified Fredman technique. Same miking placements, only I put the mics on 2 different speakers. And, the off axis mic is dropped about 7 dB's lower than the on axis. Just barely there, but enough to notice it when it's gone. I boosted 400 Hz by 3dB and boosted 3-4kHz by about 2dB's, C4 compressing 100-250Hz.

Drums are 50/50 blend of mics and samples. I used a cheapo set of CAD drum mics on the bass drum and rack toms. Floor tom was miked with a Senny e609. Snare was miked with a single 57. The kick is a blend between the natural kick, Andy's sample and "brain kick 1" found somewhere on this forum all blended at equal volumes (33/33/33 you could say).

Seriously, this is one of the best mixes I've heard in a while.

I think the vox are at the at perfect levels.

 

[nwright]

^ Thanks.

I edited my post you quoted for more detail.

Seems like the vox are a little louder than I usually hear on here, but I like them more out front.

 

[grywolf627]

Seriously, this is one of the best mixes I've heard in a while.

I think the vox are at the at perfect levels.

+1

Don't hear any of the alledged clipping at all. Damn that sounds awesome. Another mix for the "compare to" files I keep from this forum. Good job! Love those guitars!!!

 

[nwright]

^again, thanks! Yeah, the clipping was just in my POS sony headphones I keep here at work. I thought maybe I was getting some bad stuff from using the good ol' L2 for a quick mastering job.

 

[Jarkko Mattheiszen]

Really nice job on the mix, and a fucking excellent song. The kick sounds a bit too up front and clicky to me, but that's just a matter of taste. I'm especially digging the vocals!

 

[nwright]

^ I'm with you. I have a hard time finding that sweet spot between being powerful enough but sitting well in the mix. I feel like if I back it down or EQ some of the top end out of the kick, I lose something. For now I'm just going to leave it, haha! Once I get a proper mastering chain set up and master all of the songs, maybe it will sit a little better. I have very little master EQ or anything on this, basically a C4 preset and L2 just to get some volume.

 

[Jackal_Strain]

Brutal guitar tone! I think he snare should be a bit louder though. I drowns a bit sometimes.

 

[nwright]

^ cool, thanks. I wonder when I do a proper master if it'll sound better (less L2 effect)?

 

[nuclearass]

That's a nice sounding mix! I also think you made the right choice when you left the vocals upfront. It keeps the song interesting and makes the whole mix sound more dynamic. As a whole, I think it has a nice unique sound & feel to it and that's a very good thing IMO. Very nice!

 

[broken81]

I boosted 400 Hz by 3dB and boosted 3-4kHz by about 2dB's, C4 compressing 100-250Hz.

The kick is a blend between the natural kick, Andy's sample and "brain kick 1" found somewhere on this forum all blended at equal volumes (33/33/33 you could say).

Couple questions.....

Did you eq both mics on the guitar cab this way?

And how exactly did you blend the samples each 33%?

I'm lost cause with drumagog if you did 33% mix there would be 67% of the natural snare coming through. I'm sure its something simple I'm over looking but I'm lost on how to blend 3 samples the same amount like that.

Oh yea the mix sounds freakin great dude!!!

 

[nwright]

I grouped all 8 of the rhythm tracks (2mics x 4 tracks) and applied the EQ to that one group track.

I don't know how to explain the bass drum very well. I sampled our drummers bass drum and I blended that equally with Andy's bass drum sample and the brain kick1 sample. I then set aptrigga to "stack". I set the ratio to 100% samples (all 3 of them hitting at the same time). So, technically it's a 100% replaced kick, but 1 of the 3 samples hitting each time is the actual bass drum tone. I EQ"d it pretty heavily so it sounds reminiscent of Andy's sample, but a little less clicky. But, blended with Andy's and then the brain kick 1 sample, it's pretty big sounding. Using the stack mode allowed the bass drum tones to be LOUD and thick. I used no compression on the kick drum track.

 

[Waterboy]

I am sorry, but I misunderstood you: you said that you have (8) rhythm guitar tracks? I thought you had (4).
Thanks

 

[broken81]

Thanks for the info and great job again!

 

[Chryst Krispies]

Sick production and song dude.