Nordstrom drums micing tecnique

[::XeS::]

I found these pics in the studio fredman's myspace. Fredrik has a new studio near Gotheborg.

As you can see, he doesn't use the 3:1 tecnique (it seems). The OH's are placed really high and very close togheter.

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/57/l_f994d533e68245049065ff886224bcac.jpg

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/18/l_017404ce9bf046dfb40ca7b0cbc02b3f.jpg

What do you think about it?

 

[crillemannen]

Well Fredrik and Henke normally dont mic the OH that high. I asked and he said that they got a little bit carried away because they now have so big live room

Btw it's from the recordings of Dream Evils new album.

 

[::XeS::]

Do you know why they change location? I think the place in hyssna was pretty cool...

 

[Ermz]

Well Fredrik and Henke normally dont mic the OH that high. I asked and he said that they got a little bit carried away because they now have so big live room

Btw it's from the recordings of Dream Evils new album.

Thanks for the info. I didn't realize the new place had a larger live room than the last. How does it sound acoustically? Is it very diffuse and live?

 

[brandy]

Oh - interesting!

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/ind...ndID=431385944&albumID=224351&imageID=6780385

I never used a windscreen in such a situation. But it does make sence! Using a LDC in that spot usally ends up with too much "moving-air-thump". So I usually put an outside-LDC in front of the reso-head - not at the hole. I will try that!

BTW: What a huge and great new life-room!!

 

[Ermz]

I normally use a sub-kick outside the reso head. Is the LDC for the same purpose... to add more sub and fatness to the kick?

 

[::XeS::]

What ldc is that? Neumann? It doesn't seem an u87

 

[crillemannen]

Well the new room sounds awesome. It's very high to the ceiling so the ambience sounds really good. Fredrik bought a new mic preamp not to long ago, think its a ssl clone/vintech audio.
And it sounds awesome.
Well both fredrik and henrik lives in gotheburg, so i guess thats why they moved.

Yeah its an Neumann u 87

CHeers

 

[brandy]

Did they built the studio up from scratch or did they take over some existing studio-rooms? I mean... building a new studio with such an fantastic live room just because it is closer to where you live ... ?

 

[KeithTidd]

I normally use a sub-kick outside the reso head. Is the LDC for the same purpose... to add more sub and fatness to the kick?

yes. I actually like it more than a speaker.

Interesting to see fredman moved again. I wonder if his new work will sound better than some of the stuff he did at the last place.

 

[Metaltastic]

Mighty sparse drumset, I must say...

 

[botus99]

There's nothing like the sound of old analog "very nice vacuum cleaner"s

 

[brandy]

Yea - with vintage tubes and connected via a Vovox power-cable!

 

[RKelly]

What ldc is that? Neumann? It doesn't seem an u87

Looks to be a U67 or 269 (similar to a 67 with a bit more open top end)

So nice to see drums in a big room again!

 

[Sinister Mephisto]

he doesn't use the 3:1 tecnique (it seems). The OH's are placed really high and very close togheter.

What do you think about it?

Cool pics. Just a note, I don't know any professional engineers who really take the 3:1 thing as a technique. It's more a guideline for beginners to help understand phase relationships and a good starting place. Guys who have been doing it as long as Nordstrom (in my experience) go with the gut more than the rule. Of course, maybe Nordstrom normally does! I don't know. Just throwing it out there.

 

[Ermz]

Well I've always wondered how the 3:1 rule would apply to overheads. They're mic'ing the same source, so it's not the same as say Tom 1 bleed in Tom 2's mic. Both mics capture the sound of the whole kit, but from different locations. A degree of phase error is expected from a spaced pair.

 

[Wave_D]

cool topic


I find that 9 times of of 10 when doing spaced pair that the overheads are out of phase with the snare drum and in phase with the kick. So i usually flip the overheads then flip the kick.

I like the spaced pair in the sense that I get mostly the cymbals and with filtering can really get rid of the the kit, which is very helpful with the metal guys to have that separation. It's also useful when I have to use beat detective(90 percent of the time with metal) because it keeps the keeps the kick mostly out of the overheads too. Thats also useful for when you start replacing also.

What I don't usually like about the spaced pair is the stereo imaging and the phase issues between the overhead mics themselves. I find it almost impossible to get the snare or other instruments entirely out of the overheads anyways, so it would be easier to make them work in the overheads. The snare is usually in one of the overheads more than the other and the imaging of the toms is usually off. If I knew I was going to not have to use beat detective and it was more of a rock project, I'd probably spaced pair and go XY.

 

[scorpio01169]

I wonder how that would sound with a D6 inside the kick and a LDC with the windscreen outside the port hole