Yeah I feel like going to Joey for BOTH their first albums was a mistake. :/
Use him for your first cd to make you famous, then go somewhere else for the rest of your discography haha. They're not a "joey band" like people think they are.
But the first time i heard the term "metalcore" it was about kse so i change my original excuse to that
Edit: and so that i won't go toi offtopic i have to say that sturgis gave so much to these guys and did a fantastic job. That being said i can also say that i feel like machine will do just as good job with a different approach.