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PlatypusJesus
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IronGuillotine said:
Jesus fucking Christ. I'm just going to completely IGNORE everything else because I do believe reading all of that will be a complete waste of time, but I did think it would be simple to address this question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samba_de_Amigo. Laugh if you will, but it's the Wii controller with wires.
PlatypusJesus
A Dead Sun Serenity
Also, this is quite interesting, and I'm sure it will please the many Nintendo fanboys out there. At least this system doesn't look like it is going to suck like Gamecube. http://www.gamecriticsawards.com/win.html Also, Spore and Guitar Hero 2!
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Lord of Metal said:
Interesting. I can see similarities. Pretty cool. I'm sure it's not even close to the same kind of quality, though. Thanks for the link!
IronGuillotine
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Karmic said:
Yes, the vast majority of bugs in games come from the game developer, but if you're not willing to accept the fact that they can also come from the developement interface and programming languages, then you're fooling yourself! Just because they TRY to make the developement tools bug free doesn't mean that they are.
Shit. Look at the Windows operating system, for example. Miscrosoft has literally thousands of professionals developing, and testing, and retesting, their software until they release it. They try to make it as bug free as possible, but guess what? It still has bugs! Lots of them. Now that software has a lot more people trying to make it bullet proof than the programming languages and other softare that come in console developement kits. If a project like that can have bugs, isn't it a possibility that the system software we are talking about can also have bugs? Are you really that closeminded to believe that it can't? You are just so smart that you already know beyond a shadow of a doubt, without even doing a lick of research, that it's bug free. Well, damn, you're smarter than anyone else on this planet then. There are bugs in ALL software. Ask ANY software developer.
Look. I gave you SEVERAL ways to track down this information for yourself. Go ask some real professionals at game developement forums, for example. You want to know the truth? Do your own damn research! It would be virtually impossible for me to prove it to you over the internet anyway. If you were here, we'd go rent the games on each system and then I'd be able to show you quite easily. But, your not. In order to do this over the internet I'd need some way to capture a snapshot of very precise points in time from each console, upload them here, and then try to explain to you in plain text what I see without the ability to point at the screen. Furthurmore, I'd be wasting my money to prove to you what I already know to be true. What's the point? In my previous post I gave you several ways to hunt down this information, so just go do it and stop whining.
Karmic
speedy meatmonger
wait, so now you're comparing the ps2 interface with windows, an operating system?
as for bugs coming from the development interface, any rational person developing a game, would choose to either go around it and use ways to not have it included in a game, rather then go ahead leaving large flaws in a game. Not good for sales, you know.
And once again you bring no proof. not even naming perhaps a popular game that no one has avoided to play. Directing me to other people makes your knowledge quite mythical : >
as for bugs coming from the development interface, any rational person developing a game, would choose to either go around it and use ways to not have it included in a game, rather then go ahead leaving large flaws in a game. Not good for sales, you know.
And once again you bring no proof. not even naming perhaps a popular game that no one has avoided to play. Directing me to other people makes your knowledge quite mythical : >
Chromatose
Squid pro quo
Karmic said:
oh yeah, of course. However, while rational people are theoretically developing games, they are not the ones funding the games, and forcing deadlines on the development. Waiting until games are flawless are not good for sales either, from a business standpoint. Sadly this is the state of the industry.
Karmic
speedy meatmonger
Chromatose said:
well actually, some companies DO still go that way. just look at HOMMV, for example. delayed because they didnt want it to be rushed, which was how it first looked when people got to try it.
I'd say bad gameplay would be worse for sales then delays.
but, it depends on the game.
karmic, now you see why i had to block the guy? im making this statement based on your reaction alone... since i cant see what he's writing haha.
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zmetallica
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i see nothing wrong with what that guy said nothign at all, he is acting knowledgable and providing facts. you guys aren't you guys are 100% opinion and making what you say out as facts. and i actually do know some of what he says. there are MANY MANY games i have on the PS2 that are buggy to a small extent. there are also a few issues i have with it, like how it boots at times can be rather delayed/slow. the other day i got a lil blue screen while i powered it up.
he is paying more attention to the details of the gaming console while you aren't. i've read many of his other posts as well. he seems very smart compared to a bunch of other people here who just post bullshit. and honestly this thread surprised me, since i didn't think anyone in this thread would act as immaturely as they did when someone was talking in a mature way (mike).
when i read the ps2 - windows comparison all i could think of was the hardware of the ps2 in comparison to drivers for hardware on a pc. i've had many driver errors with windows, just as i experience small bugs with PS2. hell if you look online for a random game and look for a bug with something i'm sure you'll find something that is unique. also the PSP had a few revisions to fix what? bugs. yeah the hardware. same shit.
he is paying more attention to the details of the gaming console while you aren't. i've read many of his other posts as well. he seems very smart compared to a bunch of other people here who just post bullshit. and honestly this thread surprised me, since i didn't think anyone in this thread would act as immaturely as they did when someone was talking in a mature way (mike).
when i read the ps2 - windows comparison all i could think of was the hardware of the ps2 in comparison to drivers for hardware on a pc. i've had many driver errors with windows, just as i experience small bugs with PS2. hell if you look online for a random game and look for a bug with something i'm sure you'll find something that is unique. also the PSP had a few revisions to fix what? bugs. yeah the hardware. same shit.
PlatypusJesus
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IronGuillotine said:
Yeah, that's pretty much the only example that I know of, too. There have been other controllers, but none of them allow movement in three-space.
zmetallica
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well i actually have a controller that is two handed and works very well with a motion sensor mechanism. not as good as nintendo's gismo for one BIG reason: its two handed. its the weirdest thing to have real control over since you practically have to move your whole body for it to do something. with the Wii controller being in one hand it makes things MUCH easier. just think about sword fighting. and then they got that nunchuck thingy. fuckin brilliant. i've been waiting for this technology for too many years (since N64 era) to be popularized. i hate using a controller for FPS games. nothing beats a keyboard and mouse for control (though i do think that Wii's controllers will, but can't say that for sure) and since everything these days is about sports, FPS, and some other kind of action crazy game to be the real selling titles (along with a couple of fighting games and RPGs or some poorly 2D to 3D made game).
i hated game cube, but enjoyed the N64, PS2 was meh a few games worth buying, but i mostly bought it for backwards capability with PS games that i discovered after buying blame (yeah you heard me) to check out some games that i rented and eventually i found some i really liked so i decided its worth the money to fork over and buy a system. anyway i've yet to see a console beat the SNES or NES (SNES being my favorite system of all time) or even the genesis, not that i had one, but played it at many friend houses as a kid.
right now we got 3 big companies in the market for consoles (four if u count the computer), back in the day there was neo geo, 3DO, Nintendo, Sega, Atari (jaguar/etc), and a few more if i did some research. thats five off the top of my head. 6 if you count the dedicated PCs out there like the amiga (i had one). cause essentially that is all a console is. and what microsoft and sony want to do is make people purchase a game system instead of a PC so they get more control over the content that goes through it. the more control they have the more money they make. sony's trying to push their blu-ray bs too. people look at the console and be like in the end it is a good 'deal' and it'll 'last' cause of the HD crap involved. honestly HD isn't replace TVs in most homes til at least 2010. thats another 3 years+ from when these consoles come on the market. surround sound? thats a good idea since i know many people that have these set ups. and it is the right time to incorperate it as well. they should have left it at that. maybe give people the option to buy an HD version of the system. that way the $ would be cheaper. also the hard drive will probably used to download content in the very near future. smart idea too also probably used as a DVR too. once again control: you buy their one product and not the competition's. good business model/plan. but at the same time it'll ruin other businesses if it really catches on. which is their goal.
remember sony owns tons of consumer electronics as well as the music, movies, and all the media content you get. you get the picture. anyway enough of my ranting....
i hated game cube, but enjoyed the N64, PS2 was meh a few games worth buying, but i mostly bought it for backwards capability with PS games that i discovered after buying blame (yeah you heard me) to check out some games that i rented and eventually i found some i really liked so i decided its worth the money to fork over and buy a system. anyway i've yet to see a console beat the SNES or NES (SNES being my favorite system of all time) or even the genesis, not that i had one, but played it at many friend houses as a kid.
right now we got 3 big companies in the market for consoles (four if u count the computer), back in the day there was neo geo, 3DO, Nintendo, Sega, Atari (jaguar/etc), and a few more if i did some research. thats five off the top of my head. 6 if you count the dedicated PCs out there like the amiga (i had one). cause essentially that is all a console is. and what microsoft and sony want to do is make people purchase a game system instead of a PC so they get more control over the content that goes through it. the more control they have the more money they make. sony's trying to push their blu-ray bs too. people look at the console and be like in the end it is a good 'deal' and it'll 'last' cause of the HD crap involved. honestly HD isn't replace TVs in most homes til at least 2010. thats another 3 years+ from when these consoles come on the market. surround sound? thats a good idea since i know many people that have these set ups. and it is the right time to incorperate it as well. they should have left it at that. maybe give people the option to buy an HD version of the system. that way the $ would be cheaper. also the hard drive will probably used to download content in the very near future. smart idea too also probably used as a DVR too. once again control: you buy their one product and not the competition's. good business model/plan. but at the same time it'll ruin other businesses if it really catches on. which is their goal.
remember sony owns tons of consumer electronics as well as the music, movies, and all the media content you get. you get the picture. anyway enough of my ranting....
zmetallica said:
*immaturely* post too long to read, other guy's oppinions fine, the way he would hop topics and bring up irrelivant shit was just annoying
stop ranting on my thread
Karmic
speedy meatmonger
zmetallica said:
it being a much more advanced interface then the ps2 and all. ^^
but anyways, what I'm still trying to get at here is it's not the console that the bugs are in, its the games. I have NEVER had a single problem with my intro screen, and I really don't think there are many others that have either. Your bluescreen I cannot explain.
I still disagree that an entire operating system can be compared to a small interface at the beginning of a machines power up.
If it was so bugridden, why don't you hear many people complaining so many years after this? :zombie:
actually, my ps2 stopped reading blue disks one time, i had to send it back for repairs, and mine also takes a while to boot, one of my friends has the same problem with the blue disks and long boot times, where as my other friends have no problems at all.
just like the 360, first day, everyone's was overheating... while my first release xbox is perfectly fine and has been since the begining of december.
consoles are made to not have problems, some just have some factory defects, no big deal, it gets fixed under the warrenty and your fine. as for problems in games with shit, thats on the developers, not the console, but that IronGuillotine guy likes to keep marching on his "Consolez is whack" parade and blame everything on the console makers, as if every developer is a master coder and never makes an error
because that makes perfect sense right?
just like the 360, first day, everyone's was overheating... while my first release xbox is perfectly fine and has been since the begining of december.
consoles are made to not have problems, some just have some factory defects, no big deal, it gets fixed under the warrenty and your fine. as for problems in games with shit, thats on the developers, not the console, but that IronGuillotine guy likes to keep marching on his "Consolez is whack" parade and blame everything on the console makers, as if every developer is a master coder and never makes an error
because that makes perfect sense right?
Karmic
speedy meatmonger
Mike said:actually, my ps2 stopped reading blue disks one time, i had to send it back for repairs, and mine also takes a while to boot, one of my friends has the same problem with the blue disks and long boot times, where as my other friends have no problems at all.
just like the 360, first day, everyone's was overheating... while my first release xbox is perfectly fine and has been since the begining of december.
consoles are made to not have problems, some just have some factory defects, no big deal, it gets fixed under the warrenty and your fine. as for problems in games with shit, thats on the developers, not the console, but that IronGuillotine guy likes to keep marching on his "Consolez is whack" parade and blame everything on the console makers, as if every developer is a master coder and never makes an error
yup, and this is hardware issues, not developer problems. Hell, all the consoles have had defective versions every once in a while, its inevitable!
I miss the old huge xbox controllers
they werent bad, about the same size as the dreamcast ones, but i like the S ones better, and the 360 ones even better
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