Osama Bin Laden is dead

C_F_H_13 said:
Jack bauer isn't a real person. He loses strictly based on the fact that the asshole who plays him is a total drunk loser.

Steven Seagal is fat, plays in a blues band, and still trains pro MMA fighters (or so Machita/Silva/Aldo would have us believe) and acts in hilariously awesome action movies.

Hahahaha side note I think it's hilarious we are arguing about this.
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yes it is hilarious but what does real person have to do with it?? chuck norris isn't either lol.

and also i don't care what you say, it;s like santa claus, i don't care how much of a fictional character jack is, i know for a fact he definitely pulled the trigger. as someone said on twitter "now we know what jack bauer has been upto the past year." i lmao'd at that for real.
 
masque- said:
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mission accomplished. that is one sneaky bastard
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LMAOOOOO @ pic
 
timislegend said:
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yes he did... not for the ongoing pressure influenced by the previous occupations but for the capture / killing of osama bin laden was directly credited to barack obama.
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I don't think "I told the director of the CIA to make it a top priority" and "I authorized a mission" is taking credit. On the contrary I think the references to "Years of painstaking work by our intelligence community" and "a small team of American's carried out the mission with extraordinary courage and capability" is giving credit.
 
Did you guys not watch the same Obama address that I did because the one I watched included:

And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda.

. . .

Then last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain. And it took many months to run this thread to ground.

I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside Pakistan.

And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.
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It seems to me there's a lot more "I" in here than one would expect. Not saying he was in the wrong to do so or didn't give fair credit or anything like that, just saying. He implies that he had a fair deal to do with making this happen and Jeff seems to have completely missed that.
 
Maagisk said:
Here's my background before I rant. I'm from Norway, but I moved to the US when I was 12 and I joined the Marines with no clue what the fuck I was getting into. I come from a really wealthy family and I could have gone to college right away but I suck at school so I went into the military (against my familiy's wishes) thinking it would be the shit. (luckily... eventually I did end up going to college and I actually fucking graduated.... barely). I was awarded the purple heart suffering from a seizure in Iraq after a concussion after only sleeping 1 hour a day in 5 days.

But who cares, here's what pisses me off. Reading the internet, I'm hearing shit like "Obama did in 2 years what Bush couldn't do in 8 years" and "Congrats Prez Obama". This is the biggest load of shit I've ever heard. Obama was the one who was trying to end the search for Al Quaeda leaders. He was the one who cut the budget for the US troops. But all of a sudden Osama has been killed and now he takes the credit for it. Obama cut the US defense budget so that he could fund health care, food, and housing for the shit holes who don't want to work or contribute anything to the country that I live in. My sister is a doctor and she can't believe when there are people that come in with a gold tooth, expensive clothes, they smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day (no offense, I smoke as well), but they come in and pay with medicaid.

I congratulate Bush for being a fucking boss and not putting up with this bullshit. Obama deserves no credit for this epic win by the US. I'm not saying that I love living in this country, but it has treated me well. But Obama can suck it for trying to take credit for this. I don't know all the facts as of now, Wolfeman might know more since from what I understand he's in the Army now, but from what I hear it was a CIA operation that got this job done, which is an agency that operates completely separately from the US governement and the military to some extent, which means Obama had nothing to do with it. He was just as surprised by the news as we were. My God, politics ruins the facts

Congrats Bush! End rant
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I was about to say, "You should see all the jelly conservatives saying thank you bush!", then I read the last sentence of your paragraph.
 
Maagisk said:
Too be honest, after doing research on the economic crisis in the US, I can't tell you much, it's too complicated, it really is. To blame a party over it is nuts.. And there are many aspects of it that are beyond anyone to blame. Most of it from what I understand is just simply error. I certainly don't see why Obama should get blame for any of it and I don't see why Bush should either. And trust me, I was a criminal justice major in college and I understand the hate after studying white collar crime. Chenney is a proven slime ball and has no business looking out for a country. I'm not picking sides, I'm just calling it how I see it. And as I see it, bush did not do well with the budget but obama made it worse
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Totally agree, again. Party politics have gotten way too crazy these days, and economic issue is incredibly multidimensional. Everyone is going to have a different perspective on it, we don't always have to agree, but we have to try to understand.

And as somebody who lives an hour north of NYC and watched the towers go down on my TV when I was 13, I'm so happy we finally have some closure. So happy.
 
Maagisk said:
Obama cut the US defense budget so that he could fund health care, food, and housing for the shit holes who don't want to work or contribute anything to the country that I live in.
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Right on man, what's more.. i think those useless shit holes should be executed, so they can never ever threaten the us defense budget, i mean.. it's used for such good causes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone


yeepeekaye
 
JeffTD said:
"at my direction," when spoken by the commander-in-Chief, does not mean he's taking credit for it or having spearheaded it. You can read into it that way if (since) you don't like him, but the fact of the matter is that "at my direction" simply means he authorized the operation and instructed that it be carried out.
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i never said anything about "liking" barack obama, it's also completely irrelevant whether i like him or not.

this speech had a rhetorical purpose and it was to reassure the american people/world that with the president's swift actions and the support of the pakistani government/people, we have illuminated the most notorious terrorist in us history.

there are no lines to read between here... what's done is done, but we all know that the current president has a reputation for taking credit for things that may be "questionable".
 
Oh, and Bin Laden's death was announced on May 1st, 2011. Hitler's death was announced on May 1st, 1945. May 2 is also Holocaust Remembrance day. BIZARRE FREAKIN' WORLD.
 
Brandon E. said:
Did you guys not watch the same Obama address that I did because the one I watched included:



It seems to me there's a lot more "I" in here than one would expect. Not saying he was in the wrong to do so or didn't give fair credit or anything like that, just saying. He implies that he had a fair deal to do with making this happen and Jeff seems to have completely missed that.
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totally agreed. it's weird... i am sitting in a room full of people right now arguing similar ideas but one thing is clear, the last 9 years or so just came to a screeching halt based on the actions of our current president.

this is wrong to say he is not crediting himself and i understand the validity of the speech.
 
Maagisk said:
Obama cut the US defense budget so that he could fund health care, food, and housing for the shit holes who don't want to work or contribute anything to the country that I live in.
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^This is the attitude that drives me nuts about right wingers. It seems to be such a large part of why they vote republican -- because they don't like it when people cheat the system and take our tax money. I understand why it upsets you. However, it's the price we pay to keep the corporations in check.

If you let unbridled capitalism run rampant (see a country like Romania for example), then the rich keep getting richer while the middle class disappears. Then you have lots and lots of really pissed off poor people. You know what that leads to?
 
xFkx said:
Right on man, what's more.. i think those useless shit holes should be executed, so they can never ever threaten the us defense budget, i mean.. it's used for such good causes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone


yeepeekaye
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So you think useless shit holes should be executed instead of contributing something to a country? I know that you're being sarcastic but to seriously talk shit about the US for funding something that should have been good that ended up backfiring is insane. Let's let the real intentions speak for itself here. And while you're at it, lets let it be known, the US was there to stop the madness in the middle east. I know that you're from Poland, I haven't lived in Europe in a long time. You not only have not lived in a country that has been invaded in your lifetime, but you have never fought in war. You are seriously holding it against the US for helping a nation who was in need. The fact that you are holding it against us is insane. If Poland was invaded and as helpless as they were, and the US helped them overcome it, would you be pissed about that?
 
Genius Gone Insane said:
^This is the attitude that drives me nuts about right wingers. It seems to be such a large part of why they vote republican -- because they don't like it when people cheat the system and take our tax money. I understand why it upsets you. However, it's the price we pay to keep the corporations in check.

If you let unbridled capitalism run rampant (see a country like Romania for example), then the rich keep getting richer while the middle class disappears. Then you have lots and lots of really pissed off poor people. You know what that leads to?
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I most definitely agree with you. That's what I love about the balance that there is in the US. We don't all have to agree, but it works. I don't want to be looked as a right winger, but I do lean that way. As far as foreign policy goes, I'm completely on the right, but as far as the domestic thing goes, I'm on the left. It's all perspective. You'll never hear me blame the economic downfall on any party. It was all miscalulations on spending, bad retirements plans and loans that fucked all that up.

I'd love to get back on track though. Osama is dead, it's probably not going to change much but I'm fucking excited that we got to make an example out of him. If you're offended by that I'm sorry, that's just how I feel. I personally like living in a safe country. I get to wake up every day knowing that my street won't get bombed. Try talking to Libyans about that
 
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